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martok2112
May 20th, 2005, 02:49 AM
Star Wars Episode III Revenge of the Sith


All I can say is: By George, I think he's done it!!!


Officially my favorite Star Wars film!

Respectfully,
Martok2112

amberstar
May 20th, 2005, 03:26 AM
Star Wars Episode III Revenge of the Sith


All I can say is: By George, I think he's done it!!!


Officially my favorite Star Wars film!

Respectfully,
Martok2112

I'm right there with you my friend.......This one is my favorite too :salute:

TopGun
May 20th, 2005, 02:14 PM
I LOVE it, not my Fav, ESB still holds that spot, but Def my 2nd fav

braxiss
May 20th, 2005, 03:41 PM
i can't say it was a good film, and i can't say it was a bad film, all i can say is that it was interesting

martok2112
May 20th, 2005, 03:48 PM
i can't say it was a good film, and i can't say it was a bad film, all i can say is that it was interesting


I find your lack of faith disturbing. :D j/k.

As with any movie, this film is not gonna please everyone. But I do have to say, George gave it a good go this time. :)

Hell, I even had a dream about meeting George just last night. He comes in , and he says: "Well, there ya go. You all got what you wanted. A darker story, lots of space battles, and lightsaber fights...and Darth Vader. I hope you're happy."

Very weird dream.

Respectfully,
Martok2112

TopGun
May 20th, 2005, 03:52 PM
All dreams are weird, in ther own ways

braxiss
May 20th, 2005, 04:03 PM
i think the fact that for over twenty years we all knew how the story ended, and then to see it play out was what was interesting. it like reaeding a mystery novel and knowing how did it after the second page.

TopGun
May 20th, 2005, 04:05 PM
Or reading a Book, that a movie is based on before seeing the movie. Sometimes it's unavoidable since the book may have came out years before the movie

julix
May 20th, 2005, 08:38 PM
I loved it......it is all good!!! Don't know if it is my all time favorite.....I have to say ANH is cause it was the start. I will never forget how I felt watching it for the first time.........

TopGun
May 21st, 2005, 01:12 AM
I would say that Sith is my fav in terms of space battles, followed by Jedi and then Hope

Haveke
May 21st, 2005, 02:04 AM
I loved it......it is all good!!! Don't know if it is my all time favorite.....I have to say ANH is cause it was the start. I will never forget how I felt watching it for the first time.........


EXCELLENT!!!EXCELLENT!!!Star Wars Done Old School: Lucas managed to Recapture the Same Movie Magic he had with the Orginal Episode IV A NEW HOPE. :thumbsup: :salute:

Filling in all the Gaps was Definately a Challenge, But Without Missing a Step... it all Finally Clicks Right into Place! :wtf: :yikes:

How theRepublic Becomes Corrupt... How Palaptine Makes His Rise to Power... the Clone Wars... the Fall of Anakin Skywalker, the Extermination of the Jedi Knights... Seeing How Yoda & Obi-Wan go Into Exile...

The Rise of The Evil Galactic Empire...

Simply Put... This is One of those Movies You Will Want to See Over & Over Again... When it Comes out on Video/DVD, a Must Have for Anyone Who Loves Star Wars. :thumbsup:

Hope Everone Enjoyed the Movie as Much as I Did!! :) :salute:

May The FORCE Be With You...


Jay:tinypin:

Always Stay With Your Wingman :thumbsup: :wings:

Hey, This Kid Don't Sign On for No Oneway Mission...We're Coming Back! :warrior:

See You On the Flight Deck:coolangel: :wings:

TopGun
May 21st, 2005, 02:07 AM
Can't wait for the DVD, there were apparently loads of Scenes cut, that HAVE to be put into the DVD

Sci-Fi
May 21st, 2005, 03:08 AM
The fight scenes and fx was great, but did the movie rely on it too much?

I found it interesting that Palpatine told the Sith story about Darth Plagueis(sp?) and how he used the powers of the dark side, maybe more for good. It almost made the Sith seem to be practicing powers that the Jedi considered unnatural and fueled by passion rather than being true evil. Palpatine seemed to be the apprentice that killed Darth Plagueis(sp?) in his sleep after learning everything and then used those powers to gain absolute political power and for evil purposes. Quite a contradiction from the previous movies where the Sith represented pure evil and the dark side could not be used for good.

Lucas would have to do another movie to explain Darth Vader/Anakin's conversion to true evil besides just hate and betrayal. He did end up killing Padme, if not directly and why didn't he see even the Sith couldn't prevent her death? And why he did not try to obtain/use/learn all the powers of the dark force. Or maybe he wanted to leave Darth Vader seen as a conflicted character so his redemption in episode 6 would make more sense than just a father saving his son. Could Palpatine have intentionally withheld teaching him everything since he did say Anakin was more even powerful than he was. Why would the Sith be more afraid of losing their powers?

General Grievous, to me, seemed too easy to defeat by just one Jedi...using a blaster no less after opening up his armor by hand.

Plenty of questions asked and plotholes discussed at the Star Wars forum.

:salute: :Nsalute:

TopGun
May 21st, 2005, 03:41 AM
Lucas will proably use the TV Series set between ROTS and ANH to explain things that need to be explained.

sropi
May 21st, 2005, 10:38 AM
He did it! I ahve to say PM and AotC was a big disappointment for me, so i didn't expect much from this one. Then it came and steamrolled me over!
Only one minor thing: He could have spent some more time with the turning of Anakin.
His love for Padme was the leverage which Palpatine used, along with his fear of losing her. The death of Vendu was the critical point, and the murder of the Younglings locked him irreversibly on that path. Thats a lot to swallow and in too little time, even for the viewer, so i consider this only a minor error in pacing.
Had the two previous movies lived up to this standard...
(then this would have to be even better) :)

:salute: :popcorn: :Nsalute:

Haveke
May 21st, 2005, 12:12 PM
The fight scenes and fx was great, but did the movie rely on it too much?

I found it interesting that Palpatine told the Sith story about Darth Plagueis(sp?) and how he used the powers of the dark side, maybe more for good. It almost made the Sith seem to be practicing powers that the Jedi considered unnatural and fueled by passion rather than being true evil. Palpatine seemed to be the apprentice that killed Darth Plagueis(sp?) in his sleep after learning everything and then used those powers to gain absolute political power and for evil purposes. Quite a contradiction from the previous movies where the Sith represented pure evil and the dark side could not be used for good.

Lucas would have to do another movie to explain Darth Vader/Anakin's conversion to true evil besides just hate and betrayal. He did end up killing Padme, if not directly and why didn't he see even the Sith couldn't prevent her death? And why he did not try to obtain/use/learn all the powers of the dark force. Or maybe he wanted to leave Darth Vader seen as a conflicted character so his redemption in episode 6 would make more sense than just a father saving his son. Could Palpatine have intentionally withheld teaching him everything since he did say Anakin was more even powerful than he was. Why would the Sith be more afraid of losing their powers?

General Grievous, to me, seemed too easy to defeat by just one Jedi...using a blaster no less after opening up his armor by hand.

Plenty of questions asked and plotholes discussed at the Star Wars forum.

:salute: :Nsalute:

Once Again, You've Given Us Something to Think About... However Might I Suggest for Anyone Wishing to Find More Info on the Sith,Try to Locate & Read Dark Horse Comics Epic: TALES OF THE JEDI ... Miniseries/Graphic Novels... they Go Into Far Greater Detail with Explaination of Who/What the Sith Were. :salute:

Learn the True Orgins of the Sith... How they Discovered the Old Republic... How they Waged War Amongst Themselves, and Finally... How They Came Forth During a Dark Time for the Old Republic: The SITH WARS ... With the Threat to Conquer the Very Galaxy... (Enough to Give Any Star Wars Fan Something to Think About) And BTW... Dark Horse is Part of The Official Star Wars Universe... Got Total Bleaasing From Lucas... :thumbsup:

May The FORCE Be With You...

Jay:tinypin: :coolangel:

Sci-Fi
May 21st, 2005, 03:07 PM
Once Again, You've Given Us Something to Think About... However Might I Suggest for Anyone Wishing to Find More Info on the Sith,Try to Locate & Read Dark Horse Comics Epic: TALES OF THE JEDI ... Miniseries/Graphic Novels... they Go Into Far Greater Detail with Explaination of Who/What the Sith Were. :salute:



That's one of the criticisms of Luca's story telling. He often leaves large gaps and doesn't properly setup the backstory. Some people speculate it's intentional so he can sell more books and toys. A few minutes dedicated to the telling of the Sith History/background and why there "can only be two" instead of an order like the Jedi should have been told instead of having to buy the books to explain it all. Grevious had no backstory unless you saw the SW's Clone Wars or read the books/comics. In the book, Boga was a noble animal (and its sad what happens to her), but in the movie she was just some random animal Obi-Wan rides.

A Sith Lord is supposed to be more powerful than any one Jedi Master, even Yoda. But in the SW3...
The fight between Yoda and Darth Sidious was pretty even and many fans questioned Yoda's withdrawl from the fight. "It was like Yoda decided to take his toys and go home." It would be different if somebody showed up and the odds were against him, but there were only the 2 of them in the Senate chamber.

Then you have Obi-Wan not finishing Anakin, even as a mercy killing for a former friend and apprentice. Even though Obi-Wan said he couldn't kill Anakin, why would he want to see him suffer? One would expect that from a Sith Lord, to enjoy watching the suffering and last moments, only the gloating is missing. In ANH, Obi-Wan says to Luke " your father wanted you to have his light saber" but between the "I hate you" screamings, nobody recalls Anakin saying, by the way, give my light saber to my son that I don't know I have yet....lol...j/k. But it was a nice nod to ANH to see Obi-Wan pick up the Anakin's light saber.

Yes the visuals are stunning and captivating, but some feel they seemed more geared to a tie-in to a video game. Plus the film dumbed down Padme and the dialogue often generated more laughs and groans, or was that intended? How many times does Lucas have to put in "I have a bad feeling about this" in his movies? Or robots saying "Owwww" before dieing? R2D2 has a lot more features/abilities than we have seen in previous movies (what happened to them?), but didn't seem to use them when it was really needed, like not using the jet pack/thrusters (or did he run out of fuel?) when the ship tilted and R2 was sliding down the floor. At the Star Wars forum, fans are a bit more critical but still enjoy the film and give it a thumbs up.

It is Lucas' creation so he could do anything he wants despite the fans wishes and criticisms. Lucas often said the fans of the original trilogy are 30+ and the fans of the prequels are younger than that. So he is successful in attracting a new generation of fans to Star Wars, but some feel he abandoned the concepts of the original trilogy that made those films so memorable and the characters so likeable in favor of showing off technology.

:salute: :Nsalute:

Haveke
May 21st, 2005, 07:47 PM
That's one of the criticisms of Luca's story telling. He often leaves large gaps and doesn't properly setup the backstory. Some people speculate it's intentional so he can sell more books and toys. A few minutes dedicated to the telling of the Sith History/background and why there "can only be two" instead of an order like the Jedi should have been told instead of having to buy the books to explain it all. Grevious had no backstory unless you saw the SW's Clone Wars or read the books/comics. In the book, Boga was a noble animal (and its sad what happens to her), but in the movie she was just some random animal Obi-Wan rides.

A Sith Lord is supposed to be more powerful than any one Jedi Master, even Yoda. But in the SW3...
The fight between Yoda and Darth Sidious was pretty even and many fans questioned Yoda's withdrawl from the fight. "It was like Yoda decided to take his toys and go home." It would be different if somebody showed up and the odds were against him, but there were only the 2 of them in the Senate chamber.

Then you have Obi-Wan not finishing Anakin, even as a mercy killing for a former friend and apprentice. Even though Obi-Wan said he couldn't kill Anakin, why would he want to see him suffer? One would expect that from a Sith Lord, to enjoy watching the suffering and last moments, only the gloating is missing. In ANH, Obi-Wan says to Luke " your father wanted you to have his light saber" but between the "I hate you" screamings, nobody recalls Anakin saying, by the way, give my light saber to my son that I don't know I have yet....lol...j/k. But it was a nice nod to ANH to see Obi-Wan pick up the Anakin's light saber.

Yes the visuals are stunning and captivating, but some feel they seemed more geared to a tie-in to a video game. Plus the film dumbed down Padme and the dialogue often generated more laughs and groans, or was that intended? How many times does Lucas have to put in "I have a bad feeling about this" in his movies? Or robots saying "Owwww" before dieing? R2D2 has a lot more features/abilities than we have seen in previous movies (what happened to them?), but didn't seem to use them when it was really needed, like not using the jet pack/thrusters (or did he run out of fuel?) when the ship tilted and R2 was sliding down the floor. At the Star Wars forum, fans are a bit more critical but still enjoy the film and give it a thumbs up.

It is Lucas' creation so he could do anything he wants despite the fans wishes and criticisms. Lucas often said the fans of the original trilogy are 30+ and the fans of the prequels are younger than that. So he is successful in attracting a new generation of fans to Star Wars, but some feel he abandoned the concepts of the original trilogy that made those films so memorable and the characters so likeable in favor of showing off technology.

:salute: :Nsalute:


Agreed... I've Had Very Detailed Discussions with a Friend of Mine about the Star Wars Sith "Only Two at a Time" (IMHO Sith Lords Don't Play Well With Others) Count Ducoo Had No Ambition: No Driving Force (No Pun Intended) He felt He Had Learned all the Ways of the Jedi, and Got "Lazy"... IMHO, Being a Sith Lord is Kinda Like Being a Starting Running Back in the NFL... Your Job is Only Secure so Long as You are Able to Fight Off All Others Who Might Threaten You. :wtf:

From What I've Seen & Read, the Sith Fought Amongst Themselves Constantly... Perhaps a Thousand or More Years... there is a Tales Of The Jedi Sourcebook Available (For the Old West End Star Wars Role Playing Game System) that Gives a List of Jedi & Sith Powers... FORCE Powers that were Lost Because of all the Wars.


Okay, From Reading the Tales of the Jedi Graphic Novels, Sourcebook & Also Later Jedi Academy Story, We Learn that there Was a Sith Temple on Yavin IV. Ok, Luke had to Destroy the Dark FORCE Ghost of Xzar'kun (sp?) well... According to the Graphic Novels Tales Of The Jedi, he was the first Human to be Granted Status of Lord of the Sith. (Kinda Scary... Know What I Mean?)

I agree that it Seems like Everything is Geared towards Selling Star Wars The Video Games... I Have maybe 3 Video Games Installed on My Computer, and I've Only Really Played One... (Mission Risk) :thumbsup:

Some Alien Species are Immune to the FORCE... Others are Not... Hmmm... What I really enjoyed about The Tales Of The Jedi Graphic Novels are: it Shows for the First time that Species other than Human and Yoda can Be Force Users, and Masters of the FORCE.

Sith Artifacts are Totally Wicked!! Emperor Palaptine collected as Mush as he could & Hid them in an Underground Vault at the Imperial Palace. Now, Acording to the Books... some of these Artifacts Can Bestow upon its wearer Certain Sith Powers...

When its All Said & Donel, I Would Give Lucas an A++ on Revenge Of The Sith :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

See You On the Flight Deck:wings:

Always Stay With Your Wingman:thumbsup: :wings:

:salute: :Nsalute:

Sci-Fi
May 21st, 2005, 11:33 PM
Some people feel this was the "Worst part of the Movie" (http://darthno.ytmnd.com/)

:eek: :LOL: :salute: :Nsalute:

martok2112
May 22nd, 2005, 02:40 AM
Some people feel this was the "Worst part of the Movie" (http://darthno.ytmnd.com/)

:eek: :LOL: :salute: :Nsalute:

I have to admit, it did feel a bit....lacking. But I was still blown away by the nature of the matter. :)

Martok2112

TopGun
May 22nd, 2005, 04:48 AM
I'm half way through Heir to the Empire (the 1st book in the Thrawn Trilogy), that book explains why Yoda fled to Dagobah and why he was able to say hidden

Charybdis
May 24th, 2005, 10:20 AM
I liked the movie very much. I have not said "WOW" as much in the past 20 years as I did yesterday during and after watching EpIII...

That being said, I will not go so far as to say it's my favorite SW movie. That honor still belongs to the original and even still followed by Empire. But ROTS will probably take it's place on my list as 3rd overall.

bsg1fan1975
May 24th, 2005, 11:58 AM
I loved it. At least there was not much of JarJar in it. Got to hating that character. I laughed, cried and booed and hissed, which is something that you do with Star Wars and its characters!

TopGun, The Thrawn Series really gets good with The Last Command!

TopGun
May 24th, 2005, 12:53 PM
Thanks BSG, I look forward to reading Last Command

bsg1fan1975
May 25th, 2005, 04:21 AM
your welcome.

Ethan
May 25th, 2005, 10:01 PM
At this point, I have seen Ep. III twice now. I loved it. I am not usually into dark stories, but this one is an exception.

The first time I saw the movie, it left me sad . . . I guess when it comes to sci fi, I like some of the drama as well as the tech. My wife (filipina) is the same when it comes to her drama shows on The Filipino Channel. I prefer my drama in sci fi.

The tech/fight scenes were good and I admire Artoo more now than ever.

I was very entertained. Kudos to Lucas.

Ethan

:popcorn:

TopGun
May 27th, 2005, 01:53 AM
"You stupid little Astro Droid"

bsg1fan1975
May 27th, 2005, 08:16 AM
That's what I like about the Star Wars movies, they draw you in and do not let go.

TopGun
May 27th, 2005, 01:37 PM
True, so true

julix
May 28th, 2005, 06:04 AM
I think it stays with you, it did for me.

The 14th Colony
May 28th, 2005, 08:09 AM
Some people feel this was the "Worst part of the Movie" (http://darthno.ytmnd.com/)

:eek: :LOL: :salute: :Nsalute:
Ugh. I cringed and shouted "Nooooooooo!" because it was so cheesy and ridiculous.

TopGun
May 28th, 2005, 02:12 PM
There were many Noooooooooooooos in ROTS

martok2112
May 28th, 2005, 02:41 PM
At my last show with RockBox, the other lead singer was fronting with the crowd, and at one point he something happened that he growled "NNOOOOO!" I grinned and told him over the mic....."Eric, you gotta do it like this." To which I held my arms up like Vader, and bellowed "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" over the microphone. Eric nearly dropped to the floor in a choking fit of laughter. :D

julix
May 28th, 2005, 02:47 PM
At my last show with RockBox, the other lead singer was fronting with the crowd, and at one point he something happened that he growled "NNOOOOO!" I grinned and told him over the mic....."Eric, you gotta do it like this." To which I held my arms up like Vader, and bellowed "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" over the microphone. Eric nearly dropped to the floor in a choking fit of laughter. :D



:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :D

TopGun
May 28th, 2005, 02:50 PM
So you gave into the Dark Side

gmd3d
May 28th, 2005, 04:27 PM
Well I went and saw ROTS today and enjoyed it for the most part. Ewan McGregor was great loved his performance. Hayden Christensen was a little disapointing he could do better, and the Noooooooooooo scene was a little bad.
Effect WOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW loved the effects the final fight was cool
the images flashing through my mind even now..

Will I go and see it again in the cinema .. no I will wait untill DVD. my fav SW movie is still ESB.. followed by A New Hope and return of the jedi the ROTS the other two I could never see again and would not miss them.

:)

TopGun
May 30th, 2005, 02:58 AM
I will see ROTS again at the cinema when I get paid

gmd3d
May 30th, 2005, 03:05 AM
I think I would need to see it many time to see all the elements in it .. the opening scene was huge, massive, opening . so mush to see and I just did not know what to look at. That was great.

Titon
May 30th, 2005, 05:39 AM
The *NOOOOOOOO* thing didnt' sit to well with me either.

But i guess it's a minor thing to get over since the rest of the movie was pretty good. I thought some of the first 15 minutes of the movie were a bit over done but it's Star Wars and this is exactly the type of movie you expect in the series.

The last 30 minutes of the movie makes up for anything that Lucas missed badly before. Personally i hope he does make another using the same passion he use in ROTS.

:)

Now if only we could get the same dedication for a continuation movie of the TOS.

;)

gmd3d
May 30th, 2005, 06:17 AM
Titon I agree, my thoughts are that the story was not as character driven as it should have been. The pain and confusion of the 3 main player should have been better handled and as you say the last 30 minutes where by far the best of the last 3 films. it was like Lucas tried to cram in to one film what he should had done from the first.

The first should have been the Start of the clone wars

that IMHO

BST
May 30th, 2005, 06:49 AM
Well, we went to see ROTS last night. All in all, it was good -- very good. I give Lucas a :thumbsup: :thumbsup: on this one.

I liked the FX but, like Titon mentioned, it did appear to be a bit over-done, in the opening sequence and it was a little difficult to focus on the battle because there were just too many ships.

I did like the sequence where Anakin used the wing of his fighter to "sweep" the little 'bots' off Obi-Wan's fighter.

:)

What I found interesting was the change in attitude by the Jedi -- in the scene where Windu is standing above a fallen Palpatine/Sidious and arguing with Anakin about Palpatine/Sidious' fate, Windu seems more intent to kill him rather than to submit him for trial, as Anakin argues. It just seemed to me that Anakin was following the teachings of the Jedi more than Master Windu.

I knew not to expect it but, still, I would have loved to have heard the first spoken words of Vader coming from the voice of James Earl Jones.

And.......loved Yoda, I did. ;) The expressions on his face during some of his light saber battles were priceless.


:)

gmd3d
May 30th, 2005, 02:13 PM
:)

What I found interesting was the change in attitude by the Jedi -- in the scene where Windu is standing above a fallen Palpatine/Sidious and arguing with Anakin about Palpatine/Sidious' fate, Windu seems more intent to kill him rather than to submit him for trial, as Anakin argues. It just seemed to me that Anakin was following the teachings of the Jedi more than Master Windu.

I knew not to expect it but, still, I would have loved to have heard the first spoken words of Vader coming from the voice of James Earl Jones.

And.......loved Yoda, I did. ;) The expressions on his face during some of his light saber battles were priceless.


:)

I did too see that Windu was almost stepping into the dark side himself was Palpatine acting the wounded failing mentor toward Anakin so that he would act in his favour. was he taking a chance with Anakin coming to his add before it would be to late.. I must admit I was cought by surpries by Anakin attack.

gmd3d
May 30th, 2005, 02:26 PM
Will I go and see it again in the cinema .. no I will wait untill DVD. my fav SW movie is still ESB.. followed by A New Hope and return of the jedi the ROTS the other two I could never see again and would not miss them.
:)


I would change My mind on this post.. While I am willing to wait to see it on DVD later in the year. I would also like to see the first to films again as I did enjoy them as pure entertainment. I Enjoyed Liam Neeson as Qui-Gon Jinn and was sorry to see him killed of in the first of the films. And I am going through a Star Wars thing at the moment.

TopGun
May 30th, 2005, 03:07 PM
But as Windu said, Palpie controled the courts, so there was no point putting him on trial

gmd3d
May 30th, 2005, 03:17 PM
True, I remember that now.. I guess I need to see it again :LOL: :)

Titon
May 30th, 2005, 04:51 PM
From my point of view it seems that Palpatine/Sideous let Windu beat him. To push Anakin to the dark side by stating he was about to die and wanted to be saved. In other words it looks like to me he set up both Windu and Anakin.

There was talk the Windu although a jedi knight lived on the edge of both the dark side and being a true Jedi Knight.

Stray Viper
May 30th, 2005, 07:54 PM
The NOOOOOO! was amusing, but not that bad. C'mon. :P

More addicting to me was the deformed Palpatine grunting and breathing heavily. Saying "Gooooooooood."

martok2112
May 30th, 2005, 08:40 PM
The NOOOOOO! was amusing, but not that bad. C'mon. :P

More addicting to me was the deformed Palpatine grunting and breathing heavily. Saying "Gooooooooood."

Just like he did in Return of the Jedi :D

"Gooood. Gooooooooooooooooood!"

Haveke
May 30th, 2005, 09:04 PM
Well I went and saw ROTS today and enjoyed it for the most part. Ewan McGregor was great loved his performance. Hayden Christensen was a little disapointing he could do better, and the Noooooooooooo scene was a little bad.
Effect WOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW loved the effects the final fight was cool
the images flashing through my mind even now..

Will I go and see it again in the cinema .. no I will wait untill DVD. my fav SW movie is still ESB.. followed by A New Hope and return of the jedi the ROTS the other two I could never see again and would not miss them.

:)

Transis... Like Your New Avatar :thumbsup: :salute:

Qui-Gon knew his Time Was Drawing to an End... By Falling to Darth Maul, he Became One with the FORCE... the 1st FORCE Ghost... Pushing Obi-Wan into the Position of Becoming a Jedi Knight & Later On a Master, Later on training young Anakin... :star:

I Believe if the Jedi Counsel Would've Given Anakin Missions on his Own... instead of Everyone Always Telling him What He Couldn't Do... This can be a Bit of a Burden for someone to Carry... and Maybe had they Granted Him the Title of Master (This is Something that Can Go Either Way) Only, then you have Palaptine... Acting the Part of a Kind Father-Figure... Well, can we Take a Good Look at Exactly Palaptine said to Anakin/Darth Vader.... "I Have Learned the Secrets of Creating Life Using The FORCE"...Hmmmm.... Sounds Like What he was Actually Thinking Was This: (Anakin, I am Your Father)

Another thing I've Noticed is this: The Dark Side Promotion is a Lot Like that of the Klingon Military... Kill Your Superior & Take their Place. Ok, Now as We Look Back on REVENGE OF THE SITH I think the Reason Behind Only 1 Apprentice at a Time is That Sith Lords Don't Play Well With Others... The Emperor Wanted to Keep Vader Under His Control... Like Yoda Said..."Once Started Down the Path of the Dark Side...FOREVER Will It Rule Your Destiny"

Seeing Obi-Wan aboard Padma's ship really pushed him Over the Edge... TK Kill (Thats telekenetic kill) That Nets Him a Dark Side Point Right There...Thats Another Step Further Down the Path of the Dark Side... the Powers Come Faster, Easier, But at the Very Cost of your Soul.... and then Your Very Health as Well...

In the End.... We Come Away With a Very Different View Towards Vader.... Actually getting to see How Palaptine Tricked Him.... Anakin was Walking a Very Thin Line... He Took His First Steps toward the Dark Side in AOTC... Rremember that Entire Village of Sand People He Slaughtered?? And Did Anyone else Hear that Voice Calling to Him... Anakin, NOO!! .... (FORCE Ghost of Qui-Gon) [at Least in the Book... Perhaps Reading the Book first Better Prepared Me for the Movie]

I've Seen the Movie 3 Times already, and Look Forward to Seeing it again, But will Probably have to Wait Until it comes out on DVD... :salute:

Haveke
May 30th, 2005, 09:12 PM
Remember the Old Saying: Keep Making Faces, and your Face will Stick Like that!! Well Can We Say in Palaptine's Case........YES!!!!!!!!

Aeneas
May 31st, 2005, 06:22 PM
Seen it twice already. A modern day "morality play" set in space. It could easily be re-titled "The Tragedy of Anakin Skywalker", with Anakin playing the role of Faust and Palpatine filling in for Mephistopheles.

Haveke
May 31st, 2005, 07:47 PM
From my point of view it seems that Palpatine/Sideous let Windu beat him. To push Anakin to the dark side by stating he was about to die and wanted to be saved. In other words it looks like to me he set up both Windu and Anakin.

There was talk the Windu although a jedi knight lived on the edge of both the dark side and being a true Jedi Knight.

Yes, Through Trickery Has Palaptine Captured the Fate of Anakin Skywalker.... there was No other Way But to Stop Him, Nut Kill Him... and to Answer People's Question about Mace Windu: Yes, He Walked a Thin Line Between Both Sides of the FORCE.... He Knew How to Use the Dark Side, and he almost let it overcome him there at the end.

Anakin Only Wanted to save Padma, his Emotions were Ripped to Shreds, with Having to "Disarm" Master Windu & Fight to Keep him from Striking Down Palaptine... I'm thinking if he had Struck him Down... He Might've Fallen to the Dark Side Right Then & There....

Makes for an Interesting Discussion doesn't it?

The Emperor Had all this Planned... Right From the Very Beginning.... Using Political Coruptness to Influence the Courts, and also probably Using the FORCE to Force the right Pieces into Play...

He Never used his Abilities in the presence of any Jedi Masters... Yoda Sates it is Hard to See the Dark Side... Guess You Could Say he was Hiding in Plain Sight...

BST
May 31st, 2005, 07:51 PM
...Guess You Could Say he was Hiding in Plain Sight...

That's pretty much what it was. :)

Haveke
May 31st, 2005, 07:57 PM
I did too see that Windu was almost stepping into the dark side himself was Palpatine acting the wounded failing mentor toward Anakin so that he would act in his favour. was he taking a chance with Anakin coming to his add before it would be to late.. I must admit I was cought by surpries by Anakin attack.

Yes Again... From the time Anakin was 9 years Old, Palaptine allowed him to come & visit him at Work... (Can We Say Father/Son Day at Work) Palaptine was always there to Confinde in, telling Anakin "One Day You'll Be the Most Powerful Jedi Ever"

Always there to tell him it was Ok, that Obi-Wan was Only Holding him Back.... Etc... Plus Anakin was faced with everyone telling him What He Could Not Do.... I can see how Anakin had Grown Stronger with the FORCE from AOTC to ROTS.... He Danced with the Dark Side in Attack Of The Clones, and Wound up Paying the Price... My Guess is he Kept the Slaughter of the Sandpeople a Secret from Obi-Wan... Yoda Knew, he was Meditating When He Heard Qui-Gon's FORCE Ghost Call Out: Anakin, No!!

And That About Wraps the Story Up...

Jay:tinypin:

bsg1fan1975
June 1st, 2005, 12:38 PM
and Yoda's smacking down the Imperial Guards was one of the funniest scenes in the movie. It brought cheers and howls and applause in the theater when I saw it!

gmd3d
June 1st, 2005, 12:45 PM
same here I thought it was a great scene

TopGun
June 1st, 2005, 01:03 PM
I saw it again today, and again I was blown away.

I still felt the same emotions when the Jedi were bing killed

gmd3d
June 1st, 2005, 01:08 PM
The younglings scene was also hard, when the young Jedi steps out seeing it was skywalker and not a clone warrior.
and then the skywalker activates the saber.. that was heart renching

Haveke
June 1st, 2005, 01:39 PM
I saw it again today, and again I was blown away.

I still felt the same emotions when the Jedi were bing killed

I Felt a Great Disturbance in the FORCE... As if a Thousand Voices Suddenly Cried Out... and Were Silenced all at Once....

bsg1fan1975
June 2nd, 2005, 03:30 AM
I sat in total shock and silence, gripping my seat.

gmd3d
June 2nd, 2005, 04:30 AM
I Felt a Great Disturbance in the FORCE... As if a Thousand Voices Suddenly Cried Out... and Were Silenced all at Once....

I to have felt a disturbance in the force.......It must have been that Curry I had last night :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

julix
June 2nd, 2005, 05:38 AM
I to have felt a disturbance in the force.......I must have been that Curry I had last night :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:






Taranis.................
:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

bsg1fan1975
June 2nd, 2005, 07:55 AM
I to have felt a disturbance in the force.......It must have been that Curry I had last night :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

not you too! mine had to be my dinner!:LOL:

gmd3d
June 2nd, 2005, 08:26 AM
:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: oh I think i sence and other disturbance on the way. no false alarm

bsg1fan1975
June 2nd, 2005, 11:22 AM
it is a false alarm, its because its so dang warm here, that it is bothering my stomach!

TopGun
June 2nd, 2005, 01:47 PM
Yeah, when I first saw the younglings scene, I swore at Anakin (in my mind of course)

julix
June 2nd, 2005, 07:16 PM
I think we all did.....................Nooooooooooooooooooooo! LOL

bsg1fan1975
June 3rd, 2005, 03:51 AM
I just sat there with my mouth wide open and stared in stunned shock! I couldn't believe it!

gmd3d
June 3rd, 2005, 09:04 AM
The look on the young jedi was very good

julix
June 3rd, 2005, 12:25 PM
I know what you mean Taranis...............

bsg1fan1975
June 3rd, 2005, 12:27 PM
it was a combination of alot of emotions and that made that scene very powerful as you knew that something was going to happen.

gmd3d
June 3rd, 2005, 01:58 PM
I got the music today

bsg1fan1975
June 4th, 2005, 03:10 AM
gonna have to save my pennies so that I can get it!

TopGun
June 6th, 2005, 10:26 AM
Yeah the soundtrack is very good, only downside is that Duel of the Fates is nowhere on it

gmd3d
June 18th, 2005, 10:42 AM
This is the one scene that really got me.. The young actor was great I even wanted to jump up there and smash Anakins face in.. really I did.

The open trust desplayed at first by the youngling and the later betrail of anakin should the other depth of his journey into the darkside he has gone..

well heres the pic.

http://img157.echo.cx/img157/1548/younglings8hi.th.jpg (http://img157.echo.cx/my.php?image=younglings8hi.jpg)

TopGun
June 19th, 2005, 03:09 AM
Beware of your feelings Taranis, anger leads to the Dark Side

Stray Viper
June 19th, 2005, 12:35 PM
Jedinet: Badly translated Sith bootlegs (http://www.jedinet.com/prequels/#84639,20050618,7611)

This was just hilarious! :D

martok2112
June 19th, 2005, 12:41 PM
Jedinet: Badly translated Sith bootlegs (http://www.jedinet.com/prequels/#84639,20050618,7611)

This was just hilarious! :D

OMG! :D

gmd3d
June 19th, 2005, 02:11 PM
Beware of your feelings Taranis, anger leads to the Dark Side

YES I controlled my feeling with a few beers :D :D

TopGun
June 20th, 2005, 12:15 PM
Beer is the true force :D

martok2112
June 20th, 2005, 12:19 PM
Beer is the true force :D


May the Foams Be With You :D

shugotenshi
June 20th, 2005, 12:51 PM
Beer leads to the darkside. Beer leads to foams, foams leads to...

TopGun
June 20th, 2005, 12:52 PM
Strong am I with the Beer, but not that strong :D

gmd3d
June 20th, 2005, 02:39 PM
What about a beer and a chicken curry and chip/fries

TopGun
June 21st, 2005, 01:35 AM
I would have thought that you would have preffered Guinness Taranis :D

gmd3d
June 21st, 2005, 06:19 AM
I am not picky Topgun. I will take whatevers on tap

TopGun
June 21st, 2005, 09:03 AM
I prefer Cider to beet, but that's just me :D

Being Irish, wouldn't a pic of Qui-Gon been better as your avatar :D

gmd3d
June 21st, 2005, 12:10 PM
I had Qui-gon as my avatar for a while and changed to Obwan and after a chat with Julix who like qui-gon I was going to change back but have not gotten around to it... (:

gmd3d
June 21st, 2005, 12:30 PM
Is this one better.. ??

TopGun
June 21st, 2005, 12:31 PM
Liam Neeson is from Ballymena

gmd3d
June 21st, 2005, 12:38 PM
Yes in the north of Ireland.. If my memory is right He was a forklift driver

TopGun
June 21st, 2005, 12:46 PM
Yeah for Quinnes no less, and his Father was a Lollypop Man and his Mother was a School Dinnerlady :D

gmd3d
June 21st, 2005, 12:51 PM
You Know more tham me then,. Thats as far as my information on Liam goes

TopGun
June 21st, 2005, 12:53 PM
Well my Brother-In-Law grew up in Ballymena

gmd3d
June 21st, 2005, 12:57 PM
Ahh got it ..

TopGun
June 21st, 2005, 01:03 PM
I see you've changed your avatar

gmd3d
June 21st, 2005, 01:09 PM
Is it better. making me more wise looking and powerful jedi

TopGun
June 21st, 2005, 01:55 PM
And taller, he's about 6 4

kingfish
June 21st, 2005, 02:06 PM
I liked it and can't wait for it's release on dvd.

gmd3d
June 21st, 2005, 02:15 PM
Same here any ideas if there will be added more scenes.. I would like the end sence add to with yoda and Obe-wan and the twins and even why yoda picked his planet Deagoba or however its spelled :)

TopGun
June 22nd, 2005, 11:32 AM
Well it would prabably have some deleted scenes on the 2nd disc like the Eps I and II

shugotenshi
June 22nd, 2005, 11:53 AM
What I want is a special edition DVD that has all the deleted scenes add into the movie itself.

TopGun
June 22nd, 2005, 11:56 AM
I doubt Lucas would do that

gmd3d
June 22nd, 2005, 12:29 PM
It would been nice all same... I like your republic avatar home made is it...?? What did you all think of the jedi starfighter
in the opening battle

TopGun
June 22nd, 2005, 01:34 PM
It's the Wraith Squadron Insignia. It's a pic of a patch that you can buy Here (http://www.scifipatch.com/StarWars.php)

I love the Jedi Starfighters from Ep III

shugotenshi
June 22nd, 2005, 02:59 PM
:yikes: I'm gonna have to buy most of those patches. I'll be broke for weeks.

kingfish
June 23rd, 2005, 03:31 AM
I went to see it and found it was excellent.

TopGun
June 23rd, 2005, 09:32 AM
Glad you liked it Kingfish

ernie90125
June 23rd, 2005, 03:19 PM
I have seen it at the cinema twice. A very good movie, and I agree with most reviews that it is the best prequel but not better than Empire Strikes Back.

I have several major gripes though......

Anakin bursting into flames was an unnessesary shot, especially since that was one of the main causes it got a 12A (or 13 rating in America) It could easily have been missed out with the film loosing anything....

Anakin going over to the dark side. He was saying he did a bad thing, and just seemed to accept he was there....a bad guy.... Surely a little more would have gone into decision....

I would loves to have seen the Falcon taking Obi-Wan and Luke to Tatooine....then they leave on the same ship, thus coming full circle....I REALLY hope that is a deleted scene. (for inclusion on DVD)

A few of the scenes seemed forced slightly, I think it was a great film, but if he had shown it unfinished to more people, and listened to their feedback, it could have made for a stronger end product....

shugotenshi
June 23rd, 2005, 05:10 PM
I have several major gripes though......

Anakin bursting into flames was an unnessesary shot, especially since that was one of the main causes it got a 12A (or 13 rating in America) It could easily have been missed out with the film loosing anything....

I think the scene was neccessary to tie into movies 4-6. In movies 4-6 we know that vader is mostly a machine, but we didn't know how he got that way.

Going into this movie anakin only had part of his body that wasn't organic. I don't see there was a choice but to answer the question of how vader was transformed from being mostly human to mostly machine.

ernie90125
June 23rd, 2005, 05:15 PM
The scene being nessesary I agree with. The actual shot of him being set on fire, screaming as he was burned was what caused the rating. That I didn't agree with....

AJMarks
June 23rd, 2005, 07:46 PM
One thing I had about the prequel trioligy was I thought Anakin took too long to turn to the dark side. To me it was dragged out too much.

The 14th Colony
June 23rd, 2005, 08:48 PM
I have some ROTS thoughts to add, though I am jumping in later in the convo so I hope this hasn't been said yet. Sorry if it has.

For 27 years long time fans like me, based on what was reported some time after A New Hope, have known that Vader's injuries came about after contact with lava during his duel with Obi-Wan. Now, after finally seeing it happen on the big screen (4 times for me so far), I am while enthralled by the duel and the way it ended, dissapointed in a small way.

I would have preferred it, if instead of his legs as well as his arm being sliced off by lightsaber resulting in his body sliding down the incline and his leg stumps being ignited by the lava, his legs had been intact after his failed leap and when his bldy slid down the incline his attached legs had gone right into the lava and been burned and melted right off his body as he struggled desperately to pull himself back. That would have been very cool.

Dooku was not important to the rest of the plot other than how his end was another step for Anakin, but I would have preferred to have seen him more involved in the beginning prior to his entrance, on the bridge giving battle commands, as well as some interaction with the captured Palpatine, er, Sidious.

For that matter, what was the whole point of capturing Palpatine in the first place? Why had Dooku planned and carried out such an operation? Since Dooku/Tyrannus was secretly working with and for Sidious, capturing him would only give him the option to converse and make plans with him directly, something that they could have done just as easily as Sidious had given orders to Grievous and the Seperatist leaders. So what was Tyrannus intending to do with the kidnapped Palpatine? Perhaps kill his own Master and become Master himself? Palpatine's goal, if he had enginered that operation himself, was obviously to lure Anakin there to "save him" and get the Jedi to kill Dooku for him. But aside from Palpatine/Sidious' intention for the outcome, for what reason would Dooky have gone alone with it and carried it out? What did he think he stood to gain for his part in the grand plan to turn the two sides against each other in war? I'm sure that the novel would address that, but I am curious as a film viewer and would have liked to have seen some of Dooku's motives or implied reasons revealed through dialogue prior to his entry to the dueling stage.

Stray Viper
June 25th, 2005, 04:03 PM
Dooku was a pawn. This was clearly Palpatine's play. Think about this: his term was already overextended. The only thing keeping him in power was the state of emergency (the Clone Wars). Knowing that his bid for absolute power was near, he wanted to win over the sentiments of the people -- as well as the Senate -- by being kidnapped and rescued. It would also make Anakin a hero, and inflate his ego.

Plus, it would be an opportunity to personally supervise Anakin in action, to guage his readiness. Was the time ripe to turn him to the dark side? Everything had to be timed correctly, because that moment of truth was going to coincide with the death of the Separatist leaders -- ending the war when Palpatine no longer needed it to hold onto power. He would already be strongly established as Emperor.

axg423
June 25th, 2005, 05:51 PM
It was well done, continous action & good FX, even though we all knew what the outcome would be. Now he has 3,000 years of Jedi tales to produce.

The 14th Colony
June 26th, 2005, 12:14 AM
Dooku was a pawn. This was clearly Palpatine's play. Think about this: his term was already overextended. The only thing keeping him in power was the state of emergency (the Clone Wars). Knowing that his bid for absolute power was near, he wanted to win over the sentiments of the people -- as well as the Senate -- by being kidnapped and rescued. It would also make Anakin a hero, and inflate his ego.

Plus, it would be an opportunity to personally supervise Anakin in action, to guage his readiness. Was the time ripe to turn him to the dark side? Everything had to be timed correctly, because that moment of truth was going to coincide with the death of the Separatist leaders -- ending the war when Palpatine no longer needed it to hold onto power. He would already be strongly established as Emperor.
Thanks Stray. I saw it again yesterday for the 5th time and I was thinking during the movie that I wished I could log on to GS to discuss the film with my long time SW buddies, only to remember that I could not do that. But at least one of them came here to discuss, you know? :salute:

TopGun
June 26th, 2005, 03:36 AM
Palpie casts asides his students whenever a more powerful person appears, granted Darth Maul was killed by Obi-Wan and then Palpie was forced to find a new one. But when Anakin grew with power he wanted him and casts Dooku aside, he pretty much does the same with Vader when Luke comes about. Only this time he lost his student not to death, but to the Light Side

Compass
July 27th, 2005, 12:13 AM
In my opinion, the movie was good in some areas, and disappointing or overdone in others. I won't be rewatching it. The two good movies are A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.

I also like some of the Star Wars fanfilms.

kapollo
July 27th, 2005, 04:04 PM
Uhh, hmmm, remember the scene from matrix III when Trin was dying, It seemed that it has lasted for ever. I've found that also in the SWIII which was very suprising.
What I mean is the movie had to many boring scenes like those from matrix.
but that is my humble opinion
cheers kapollo

julix
July 28th, 2005, 05:20 AM
Ron,
The book goes into really good detail about Dooku and the fight between him and Anakin. Palpy is a master planner and master manipulator............he manipulated Anakin from when he was a small bpy. Remeber in TPM he said "we will watch your career with great intrest" to Anakin? He does set up his own kidnap as a way to open Anakin up to the dark side..........that is why he uses the information Anakin had told him about the sand people against him, and tells Anakin to kill Dooku. And then justifies it by tell him "it was only natural, you wanted vengence".........just like the sand people.........he uses everything(Palpy) It would have been interesting to see what Palpy was like as a child, Lucas made it a point to show Anakin was a good kid went very wrong. Palpy, I think was always very evil.


Ron, if you ever wanna talk Star Wars...................I am the sweek for the job :)

TopGun
August 4th, 2005, 01:34 AM
Very interesting Julix, I too would like to see Palpie as a kid

julix
August 4th, 2005, 05:49 AM
Very interesting Julix, I too would like to see Palpie as a kid



yes, I mean the pure evil that he is. try picturing him at school, or his first haircut.......LOL :)

The 14th Colony
August 8th, 2005, 08:59 PM
Palps as a kid was probably a bedwetter.

Indy
August 15th, 2005, 12:40 PM
The scene being nessesary I agree with. The actual shot of him being set on fire, screaming as he was burned was what caused the rating. That I didn't agree with....


That was rather brutal to watch, the only part that keeps me from recommending it for the kiddies. (Although they got Episode I, so i don't mind this one being for the adults.) :)

TopGun
August 22nd, 2005, 07:36 AM
Pictures a kid bullying people with his powers

Krystal
October 22nd, 2005, 01:13 PM
The movie was awesome, is definitely my favorite of the new ones, and the I being my second favorite. I think he definitely did an splendid job in it. Of course, my favorites would always be the old ones. I just love Star Wars thanks to that movies. :duck:

Krystal:rose:

TopGun
November 4th, 2005, 03:04 AM
Got it on DVD the day it came out, I still got the same feeling during the Order 66 scenes as I did in the cinema

kylebell
August 16th, 2006, 12:08 AM
IT. WAS. AWSOME!

I'm sorry, I'm just glad Lucas got it right again.