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Old September 1st, 2003, 05:02 PM   #1
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Battlestar Galactica 1978 G80-05: Space Croppers

Series stars: Lorne Greene, Kent McCord, Bary Van Dyke, Robyn Douglass, Richard Lynch, Robbie Rist, Richard Eastman, Vernan Weddle, Herbert Jefferson Jr., Patrick Stuart, Allan Miller

Guest stars: Dana Elcare, Ana Alicia, Anna Navarro, Bill Cort, Bill McKenny, Ned Romero

Hoping to force the Galacticans to lead them to Earth, the Cylons attack the agro ships, depriving the space-bound humans of their food. Troy and Dillon are then sent on a mission to establish a colony to provide them food for the Galactica. They find a farm on the edge of bankruptcy because of a man who has dammed up the creek that feeds it. The man, a rich, prejudiced, bully, sets out to stop them from making a profit. One of his men set their seed on fire And when they demand retubution, he gives it, and then offers them a ride on his bronco. They further anger him when they tame the horse, and win him and the $1000.00 prize that goes with him, and he cuts off what little water he has been allowing. Dr. Zee assures them they will have plenty of water, so long as they get everything planted by the end of that day..They enlist the help of the Galactican scouts to get the fields planted, and Dr. Zee assembles a group of agro experts who will aid in the planting and become colonists on Earth to continue taking care of the crops, while their arrival causes rain to water the crops. The bully is dealt with when he reveals what he oversaw on the night of the planting to local officials, discrediting himself to the valley residents, and losing the approval of the water “rationing” he has been carrying out, freeing the water for future use by everyone.
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Old January 11th, 2004, 08:24 PM   #2
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This episode I missed.
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Old March 18th, 2004, 02:35 PM   #3
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Question ana alica looks great

only other female to make the jump to 1980 can you tell who other one is wish it had been rigel hint look in other posts
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Old March 31st, 2004, 01:34 AM   #4
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I missed this one, so I cannot comment.
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Old April 1st, 2004, 05:52 PM   #5
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I missed this one, so I cannot comment.
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Old April 2nd, 2004, 12:24 AM   #6
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I wish I had seen it, simply so I could comment. I remember the promos, but that's all. Anyway, it's gotta beat that remake thing.
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Old April 2nd, 2004, 12:07 PM   #7
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It's a lot easier to just say that the remake and episodes like this are equally bad in their own way.

The worst moments of this episode include the stupid new voice of the Imperious Leader (done to cannibalized footage from Saga), and then the idiotic singing bit near the end.
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Old April 8th, 2004, 03:17 AM   #8
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Is a script of it posted on-line, anywhere?
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Old October 10th, 2004, 04:02 AM   #9
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Well?
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Old October 16th, 2004, 03:56 PM   #10
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I believe that Dennis Haysbert did the voice of IL for the episode and was credited as The Creature. The episode starts with a bang but fizzles quickly.
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Old October 16th, 2004, 04:09 PM   #11
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My Take:

http://s4.invisionfree.com/Battlesta...?showtopic=439
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Old October 25th, 2004, 10:31 PM   #12
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Haysbert the saintly Presidential candidate who practically acted like an Imperious Leader in "24"? Strange bit of appropriate symmetry if that's who it was!
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Old October 26th, 2004, 06:47 AM   #13
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I believe that this is the same Dennis Haysbert from Buck Rogers season 2.


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Old October 26th, 2004, 10:51 AM   #14
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Yep, that's "24's" president.
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Old October 27th, 2004, 04:20 AM   #15
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Dennis Haysbert actually plays one of the pilots of the D Squadron. I'm guessing, but I've got an inkling that a guy called Walker Edminston does the voice of the IL in this episode.

This is my favourite episode of Galactica 1980.

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Old October 27th, 2004, 07:29 AM   #16
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Dennis Haysbert actually plays one of the pilots of the D Squadron. I'm guessing, but I've got an inkling that a guy called Walker Edminston does the voice of the IL in this episode.

This is my favourite episode of Galactica 1980.

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Thanks for the info Peter. Dennis played Kip then a member of D squadron. He and Dillon were also friends. Dillon mentions that Kip drew the USSR assignment in the pilot G-1980.
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Old October 27th, 2004, 05:04 PM   #17
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If Haysbert played Kip, then Dr. Zee sure didn't realize that assigning him to the USSR wouldn't exactly allow him to blend in with the masses!
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Old October 28th, 2004, 01:02 AM   #18
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How do you say "Siberia" in Colonial???
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Old May 30th, 2009, 06:55 PM   #19
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Default Re: G80-05: Space Croppers

Does anyone know the words to the song that the kids sing in this episode?
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Old September 6th, 2010, 11:45 PM   #20
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Does anyone know the words to the song that the kids sing in this episode?
I was just watchingthis episode last night myself, and I wouldn't mind knowing the words to this song too.

Anyone have them? So Aphrodite and I can learn the song and do a redition together for the annual Fleets Convention???

(just kidding ya there, Aphrodite...)

But seriously, anyone have the words?
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Old October 30th, 2010, 09:27 AM   #21
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Thanks for the info Peter. Dennis played Kip then a member of D squadron. He and Dillon were also friends. Dillon mentions that Kip drew the USSR assignment in the pilot G-1980.
this is the only time on 1980 it is sortof said that the big G has four viper sqrdn;s the daggit's beening the fourth. ps the only other women tbe on both show's was allica on this episode and take the celestria.
and shelia dewhit she was in lost planet and was on the plane in the night the cylon's landed. also zara the newswomen of man with nine lives was the helper for mr brady on finds earth those were the only three women to be on all two shows.

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Old December 1st, 2010, 05:52 PM   #22
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But seriously, anyone have the words?
The words were interesting weren't they.

I'll see if I can pick them out.
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Old January 1st, 2013, 10:31 PM   #23
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Ok, have to admit, have not done this since I wrote this. I think I was thinking of the episode where they were singing around the campfire. Anyway, might give this a try soon.

Have to say I really liked this episode. This might sound a bit crazy but I think the show was starting to find it's own steam. They had to re-invent, the actors needed to find their role.

No it was not Apollo and Starbuck but as someone said it was still better than some shows that came along at the time.

Some things that I liked by this point...

1) The need to get more colonists to Earth for integration was starting to happen.
2) The saucer ship was... interesting. Where on Earth did they get that design? Well the inside of the ship was almost TRON looking. Fairly wild looking.
3) The enhanced strength of the colonial people was interesting. At first I thought they were only saying the kids had the added strength, but this episode they show Troy being able to handle two bags of seed with no problem.
4) Yes Troy and Dylan being able to jump 50 feet in the air was interesting, maybe even silly, but after all these years since of watching shows with people with quirks and powers (Charmed, Smallville, etc) it just made for a interesting show of people with quirks trying to understand regular life.
5) This one they introduced new flight helmets? And I thought it was funny how the repair crew person mentioned that Dylan and all had removed the limiters on the Vipers. It gave it that roguish moment that person Troy (Boxey) had learned a thing or two from his dad (Apollo) and Starbuck.

All and all, Troy and Dylan were enjoyable characters. Once I got past missing Hatch and Benedict and started liking McChord and Vandyke I liked the show for it's own quirky own ways. Honestly I wish Troy and Dylan had gotten a full season.

Even Z was getting toned down a bit. He was all knowning, a bit of a snot, but then they have the Starbuck episode where he is less glow, and more of a person trying to find his own identity.

The fact that Z was a light being being raised on Galactica was indeed interesting. (The mother was from another dimension, but I'm having doubts that the father was also of the same light race. Honestly, why would the light race not try to bring one of their own back?)

Boomer heading up the colonists on going to Earth was a nice touch. Boomer was the most sensible of the trio (Apollo, Starbuck, and him), so advancing in responsibility was the logical way for him to go.
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Old May 28th, 2015, 12:45 AM   #24
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The pits part III. Anything involving those pesky Galactican kids and their super powers is best forgotten.

My rating:
or out of five.
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Old June 5th, 2015, 01:28 PM   #25
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So I'm rewatching the series. I am watching the David Kerin edits of BG and the Redux edits of G80.

As I watch the episodes, I go back and read the battlestarwiki.org notes and analysis. Thought I'd comment on them and add a few of my own. For this, I am only including the programme itself and not canonizing the books.

Battlestar Wiki Analysis:

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The voices of the Cylons sound slightly different, and not for the better.
Did they? I thought it was only the Imperious Leader who sounded different.

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Troy claims the horses weren't much different from what was on Caprica. However, Troy lived in a major city on Caprica before the Cylon holocaust (Serena's son, then called Boxey). It is unclear how much Troy could recall about Caprican horses after fleeing the planet at a young age and living aboard the Fleet nearly his entire life.
We don't really know where Boxey lived. Only that his mother was a reporter. Also, Boxey was clearly being educated while aboard the Galactica. He could have learned about Caprica horses there.

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Adama and Dr. Zee's extended conversation about rain, precipitation, etc., is yet another example of the educational dialogue required by the network.
The most painful scene in the series is having to watch the great Commander Adama lectured on how rain is made.

Battlestar wiki questions:

None

Additional questions:

If the Cylons don't know the fleet has found Earth, what good would destroying their agro-ships have other than diverting the fleet to find a new food-source.

Why is the Imperious Leader so far away from Cylon? (Is he? Do we really know that the Imperious Leader is on the same Baseship that launches the attack?)

Why is Adama watching the battle from Dr. Zee's room rather than on the bridge leading the defense?

How dumb are Cylons that they haven't figured out where Earth is yet, considering that the Galactica must be staying near the same star system and there is a lot of activity in the sector?

What happened to the whole don't-use-vipers-everyone-is-looking-for-them from the last episode?

Could Steadman really dam up the river? There are laws that prevent people from "interfering with a natural resource." Though I don't know if those laws were around in 1980.

How exactly does Steadman have such pull over the Grower's Association?

If everyone is allotted water proportionately, how is it Alonzo has so little?

Would high jumps really be the best method of planting seeds instead of, say, fast running?

No one seems to notice that Alonzo has a fully grown crop to sell after his farm was nothing but dirt the previous day?

For two people who want to keep a low profile, why do Troy and Dillon fly off on their vipercycles?
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Old August 10th, 2017, 08:15 AM   #26
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You bring up good questions, and while they were trying to be educational in G80, they could have shared THIS nugget...

https://www.hg.org/natres.html

"History

The United States has a long history of protecting natural resources, thanks, in large part, to the conservationist efforts of President Theodore Roosevelt. Natural Resource laws protect such areas as national parks and beaches, endangered species, and rivers, streams, lakes, and ponds. Natural resource laws are to thank for the preservation of such national treasures as Yosemite National Park, the Grand Canyon, and Niagara Falls.

Environmental Laws

Natural resource laws also prohibit activities that would damage the natural environment. Examples include laws pertaining to drilling for petroleum, mining operations, damming rivers, and preventing or allowing certain forest fires."

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Roosevelt, definitely before the 80s, however, I know how things can get. At some point someone gets into power they say "Damn the laws" or "Yeh, but what are you going to do about it" and people may or may know not what actions to take next. That is why power people like to keep people stupid and uneducated.

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Change of topic... resources.

So they completely bypassed Terra, a space farring civilization, for Earth, one just learning to crawl into space. Yahh... Part of me sees this as ironic, part of me wonders (forgetting about bad writing for a moment, lesser budget and so forth) that the Celestrial beings had intended the Galactica to re-unite with Earth to make them stronger. Maybe because of Cylons, but other threats, or just to aid the colonies and Earth in growing from each other. In Space Croppers we start to see how that would work.

If the series had continued, I wonder if the Colonies could have started to settle in, mine asteriods, and start a new ship yard? Defenses of this new star system would be needed. And how many agro ships did they loose in first and second season? Didn't they also loose argo ships in the Magnificent Seven episode?

(Love how they got more screen time from those "Silent Running" props. )

I also wonder if the colonies had equipment to Terra form? Maybe work on Mars, and while I always have hopes for Venus... well... that poor girl needs a complete makeover.

But maybe other watery moons under ice encrusted shells perhaps?

What if the Galactica and the fleet are out there, slowly integrating into Terran society? Managing to stay our of site of our primitive space probes? Just existing on the fringes somewhere, out there? Hmmm..

You know this would be a great follow-up Galactica series of the silent war going on in our star system, our own time. And all the while, humans oblivious, watching their TV shows and the latest thing Trump is doing.

Could be fun.

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