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April 17th, 2003, 03:37 AM
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Prequel vs Re-imagining, an urban legend
My fellow Galacticans,
You know how one says "the truth is stranger than fiction". Well in the case of the Battlestar Galactica Revival, this is not the the case. I recieved my e-mail response from David Eick yesterday answering my questions about several topics. Many of us have heard of the "Prequel vs. Re-imagining debate". Well folks, there never really was a debate on the direction of the show. The real debate was budget and casting choices. His words about the "Prequel vs. Re-imagining" debate is that "whoever started it is just plainly spreading bull."
Mr. Eick said, he had never heard of such an option especially this late in pre-production. Maybe some of the sources who were giving information were giving false information about the behind-the-scenes activity just because the knew Continuation fans would be upset at the facts. Maybe someone created the "Prequel vs. Re-imagining" debate to give the fans a sense of they fought well but the TPTB aren't listening. Whatever is the reason, there was never such a debate in January of 2003.
In reality, the mini-series fans letters did not play a decisive factor in the decision because the decision had been made many months prior to the "debate". As for the person known as Treklord, Mr. Eick believes he was a fan playing a cruel joke on the fans. If he is a Universal employee like some say, then this must have been done by someone involved with marketing for the video game. It had no impact on the production whatsoever.
What we have here is an urban legend that the mini-series fans somehow stabbed the Continuation fans in the back. Well folks, that is completely untrue according to Mr. Eick. The only thing our letters did was to bolster the production's ability to secure a larger budget by showing that support does exist for a production not yet filmed. He does say that every little $ they secured on top of the original budget was thanks to the letters of support from the fans of the new mini-series. These letters did not change the direction of the series and it had been planned as a "re-imagining" for several months now.
If anyone wants to take the time to verify these facts with Mr. Eick, you can e-mail him at askdavideick@ www.scifi.com with these same questions. It took him three weeks to answer my e-mail but I am glad he did. I would like to thank siress13 for letting the fans know that Mr. Eick does listen and will e-mail people back about legitimate questions.
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April 17th, 2003, 05:42 AM
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Yes, the truth *is* stranger than fiction.
Oh what a tangled web the scifi channel weaves.
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April 17th, 2003, 06:08 AM
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My problem here is that this arguement says since the fans weren't being considered then anything we (the Neos) did doesn't matter. "No harm - No foul!" I won't get into all the reasons why here but if these subjects aren't supposed to be discussed here then JUST David Eicks comments should be posted NOT Milton's spin doctoring as to why he shouldn't be blamed.
Otherwise, his "sharing" is nothing more than CF sponsered propoganda.
I'll reserve my other comments.
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April 17th, 2003, 07:07 AM
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Eick's words are most likely meant
To clean the slate of all of the bad commentary that has tarnished the production for the past few months.
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April 17th, 2003, 08:35 AM
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It's a PR spin, no more. Captain James, I admit to your right to an opinion.
However, I remind everyone to take into account that this person is a newer member who posts here solely to dispense tailored information with a remarkable level of supposed expertise for a mere fan. (Information which can be easily contractided, btw.) I recommend that everyone be wary of being led in any particular direstion, read the posts, take from it what you will, and avoid being led into argument.
If Mr. Eick wnats to convey anything that badly, he can come here and do it himself. Otherwise it is just more heresay.
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April 17th, 2003, 09:03 AM
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Uh Oh, now you've done it Micheleh
...We're gonna be swamped by the Moore Fan (s) around here telling us that we're just in denial because we are attached to Richard's Undergarments.
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April 17th, 2003, 09:04 AM
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April 17th, 2003, 09:09 AM
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Don't blame me for that Image
Dennis, that was used HERE by a Moore Fan...
After he of course told me I just wanted 70's TV and Disco Hair...
I guess he was bored by the "scripted" Pro-Moore arguments...
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April 17th, 2003, 09:30 AM
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I find it hard to belive that Milton...
...was just such a huge fan of Ron Moore's that he did all of this because he wanted to defend Moore's rights as a writer. This is just too odd. I have to wonder just what Milton is getting in return for his past and continued "services" to the remake staff. It's clear that Milton and his followers are NOT fans of GALACTICA, and they never will be. Instead, most seem to be bored TREKKIES latching on to one of thier more popular writers. I wonder if they bothered to fight this hard for Moore's "rights" when WB cancelled the "Dragonriders..." project. Probably not. Still, they view the original GALACTICA as a relic of the past that has no relevance today (which is very ironic to me, seeing as how Ron Moore is the writer of the ST:TNG episode "Relics"). The followers ("Neos") are too easy to figure out (and BTW, there are way too many of them running things on THIS board), but Milton is somewhat a mystery. I wonder just what made him get into this whole thing. My personal feeling is that Milton is just a wannabe. Sure, he works with the DNC (he makes me embarassed to be a Democrat), but he really wants to work in Hollywood. He likes TREK, which is how he became a vocal Moore supporter. His original attacks as MOORE_MAN were appreciated by Moore himself, and I do believe that he received those "goodies" as a personal thank-you for the support. When the abrasive M_M attacks were working against the production, Moore asked him to change tactics in favor of a more "open" approach. When many misguided "Retros" began to embrace Milton (and you all know who you are) for the sake of compromise, he quietly had his followers working to sabotage those efforts. Now, Milton is running his own website, dishing out propoganda for the new production. Stallion uncovered the very real possibility that Milton is actually working "on site" for the new production. Although we probably won't know for sure if that's the truth or not, it would certainly fall within the realm of possibility knowing Moore's history of rewarding his "number one fan". Personally, I think it's time for people to cease giving credibility to this clown. It's too late to hope that he will keep to his own board (he'll continue to gloat, and he will be allowed to as long as remake fans are the moderators of this board). However, we don't have to feed his inflated sense of self-worth. Milton James will forever be MOORE_MAN, and he will always be a troll (no better than Languatron).
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April 17th, 2003, 10:02 AM
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Re: Don't blame me for that Image
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Originally posted by LordStarFyre
Dennis, that was used HERE by a Moore Fan...
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Well, I should send him/her a little "thank you" for helping keep my weight down today -- put me entirely off my morning snack.
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April 17th, 2003, 10:18 AM
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It doesn't matter if it was a joke or not...
Original series fans are still screwed. No hope for a continuation.
We're still spat on by fans of the remake.
And Moore and Eick are not willing to listen to anyone but themselves.
It's not fair. And it's not right.
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April 17th, 2003, 10:36 AM
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your right its not fair and I have discovered that fans of Moores Galatica use strange arguements to prove there point. *oh well*
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April 17th, 2003, 10:38 AM
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Re: Re: Don't blame me for that Image
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Well, I should send him/her a little "thank you" for helping keep my weight down today -- put me entirely off my morning snack.
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That would be me dennis.
And apparently LSF is more fixated on the undergarments than i'd originaly suspected since it is apparently a subject is is not in a hurry to "drop".
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Dennis, that was used HERE by a Moore Fan...
After he of course told me I just wanted 70's TV and Disco Hair...
I guess he was bored by the "scripted" Pro-Moore arguments...
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I am not pro moore, and i never said anything about hair or disco.
My assertion is that it wouldnt matter if Galactica was to come back as a continuaiotn or remake or whatever and it also wouldnt matter if it were moore or desanto or whoever else in charge.
There would alwys be a segment "Hardcore"of fandom that would find a reasopn not to support the production because their nostalgic memories of the original would always trump the artistic vision of whoever was the producer.
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April 17th, 2003, 10:39 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by adjudicator
your right its not fair and I have discovered that fans of Moores Galatica use strange arguements to prove there point. *oh well*
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No more strange than others who support continuaiotn.
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April 17th, 2003, 11:06 AM
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Letting it Drop?
" And apparently LSF is more fixated on the undergarments than i'd originaly suspected since it is apparently a subject is is not in a hurry to "drop"."
Not Really Hito, Why Drop one of the Most creative arguments I've seen the Pro-Moore Factions use to date to defend the Re-Imagining.
Attachment to Richard's Jock was by far the Most Creative one's I've seen used...
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April 17th, 2003, 11:20 AM
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did some research very odd
http://bboard.scifi.com/bboard/browse.cgi/1/5/531/851
take a look this is the same thread from the old board.
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April 17th, 2003, 11:24 AM
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Let's clarify something
The "prequel" discussions did take place at Universal months ago. One producer was open to it; another wasn't. In fact, one of those producers reached out and contacted a fan to get his insights about a prequel. (I'm not disclosing the fan's name unless he wishes to step forward and discuss the topic.) Just ask Ronald D. Moore. Just ask David Eick, who seems to be in denial of the subject. It sounds like Mr. Eick and Mr. Moore don't communicate too well.
Mr. Eick's statement of "whoever started it is just plainly spreading bull" is pure bull.
I'll add this: Sandy (Two-Brained) heard prequel discussions via his contacts. I've heard prequel discussions via my contacts. Neither of us has the same contacts. There are others here who have heard things as well; it's up to them whether they want to share their insights or not. It seems too strange that these specific topics were discussed/leaked -- and so many people heard about them.
I'd like to add this, too: Mr. Eick has been contacted for an interview by BattlestarGalactica.com and BattlestarPegasus.com. I welcome the opportunity to discuss the matter with him.
Michael
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April 17th, 2003, 11:32 AM
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Looks like a mistake now that you show the old thread. Thanks Dennis. I never saw the original, just the new version.
Maybe this is David Eick's way of setting up TwoBrainedCylon.
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April 17th, 2003, 11:32 AM
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exactly
just what I was getting at several posts before.
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April 17th, 2003, 11:53 AM
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The new board certainly confuses TwoBrainedCylon with a variety of characters. LOL!  |
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April 17th, 2003, 11:58 AM
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hmmm interesting
I posted to the Sci-Fi board as a reponce to the thread concerning two-brain might be michael and it was never posted however my complaint about it not being posted was...
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April 17th, 2003, 11:59 AM
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Did the text of your reply contain antything objectionable?
My reply - not posted yet either - was the following:
'Look at the original posts:
http://bboard.scifi.com/bboard/browse.cgi/1/5/531/851
Boy, is this new board a mess! And I thought the previous one already WAS moderated!
Suits...'
(I know they don't like being called 'suits'... )
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April 17th, 2003, 12:05 PM
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Re: hmmm interesting
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I posted to the Sci-Fi board as a reponce to the thread concerning two-brain might be michael and it was never posted however my complaint about it not being posted was...
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Do I understand correctly that you think I am Two-Brained?
If so, let me state this again, as I've done before: I use one -- and only one -- handle. And it's my real name.
The one and only Michael
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April 17th, 2003, 12:07 PM
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Dennis
...Dennis, I hate to say this, but that is the kind of Games Moore and Eick play. I'm seeing also, that those who support them aren't above playing those "Win at any cost" games as well. This includes throwing out Bogus charges of Cyber-Terrorism and such.
If Moore was a competent Producer, with a Good Product, he and his minions wouldn't have to do this sort of nonsense.
His actions speak louder than that pathetic POS script he wrote on just how bad a product he is capable of producing.
What amazes me is that it took some people so long to figure out just what a degenerate Moore is. For a long time, so many people were saying "Give him a chance, he's a Professional. Wait and See". Now, even Most of the people that said that have come over to the Light, realizing that Moore is going to Destroy Galactica, and that those who support him are assisting him in doing it.
All this really makes me wonder just how bad Star Trek would have been if Majel Roddenberry, Rick Berman, and Brannon Braga hadn't been there to rein in Moore and his Delusions of Grandeur.
I'm more curious than ever what Braga and Berman REALLY think of their backstabbing little "friend".
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April 17th, 2003, 12:11 PM
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no this is a different michael
I could not remember the last name, just follow the thread and you see who I refuring to.
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April 17th, 2003, 12:39 PM
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I've satisfied my concern as to where the "cyber-terrorism" myth started, and it wasn't a pro-Moore person. But Milton was certainly too quick to go public with it. I never believed in it and would not have published it.
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April 17th, 2003, 12:44 PM
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"I've satisfied my concern as to where the "cyber-terrorism" myth started, and it wasn't a pro-Moore person"
Of course, it would be hard for any Pro-Moore person to do anything wrong, what with their Halos and Harps keeping them from doing anything Evil...
It must clearly be us Evil Old Guard who are responsible...
Geez...
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April 17th, 2003, 12:48 PM
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This information about there never being a serious prequel vs. remake debate tracks very closely with my own information. I was told that while Moore discussed the matter with Eick and Eisner (the first director) at a very early stage -- well before the script was even written -- that it never came up with the studio or network. Contrary to other reports, as far I know there was never a "debate" within the studio on this issue and certainly no script rewrites ordered with a prequel agenda in mind. I did personally hear Moore talk about the idea once (he was with a group of studio people at Universal and my source was tangentally part of the conversation and I was there to go to lunch with my source) but my impression was he thought it would be too difficult to pull it off. (A caveat -- I really didn't hear much of the conversation, but that was the gist of it to the best of my recollection.)
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