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Old January 15th, 2004, 09:17 AM   #31
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I can't believe that this dimwit we have in office wants to spend that much to send us to the moon (where we have already gone) before Mars. There is no way that this country can do that. We are still learning about if there was ever life on Mars. We can not go there until we have all the answers.
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Old January 15th, 2004, 12:51 PM   #32
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I can't believe that this dimwit we have in office wants to spend that much to send us to the moon (where we have already gone) before Mars. There is no way that this country can do that. We are still learning about if there was ever life on Mars. We can not go there until we have all the answers.
The moon is a more strategic place for weapons than Mars. Besides, Helium 3 was discovered on the moon which can be used as an alternative to fossil fuels which is important since he is constantly fighting against energy conservation and fuel efficiency.
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It is most likely a re-election tactic. I am not against humans in space but I don't trust his motivations and truthfully the private sector can probably do better, cheaper and create more jobs along the way. Just look at my avatar, a space vehicle built by a non-profit orginization with private funding.
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Old January 15th, 2004, 02:29 PM   #33
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If I were in charge of NASA and had to deal with Bush's proposal this is what I'd do.

1 - Get the X-33 into service ASAP. This will make everything else you want to do cheaper and easier.

Except the X-33 is now a rotting hulk dumped in the desert, where most of the shell has been pilfered by VIP collectors. "You want a piece of history? Take part of the X-33.

The X-33 had too many technical problems to be feasible.

As for Moon/Mars. I should be excited. I got into aerospace because I thrilled to the Apollo astonauts. But I am not. Manned space should be exciting, but this whole thing leaves me with a vacant feeling. Why go to mars?
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Old January 15th, 2004, 02:36 PM   #34
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To colonise it. Why else?
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Old January 15th, 2004, 07:19 PM   #35
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I think that this is great, I've always wanted to explore space!
I'll be too old by that time but to live to see that happen would be amazing.
To think we are so close to knowing more about our own system. It is expensive, but I think worth the cost. Maybe someday we will leave Earth and have technology to go beyond our solar system - to boldly go where no one has gone before
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Old January 15th, 2004, 08:07 PM   #36
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I've heard that older people take to space better than young people. Something about the relief of pressure on the heart allowing them to be more active.
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Old January 15th, 2004, 09:43 PM   #37
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I've heard that older people take to space better than young people. Something about the relief of pressure on the heart allowing them to be more active.
I could do with some relief of pressure on my heart
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Old January 15th, 2004, 10:03 PM   #38
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I'm all for going to Mars. its a noble majestic endeavor.

but with the economy the way it is, and probably will be, I just want every part of the rocket that goes to the moon to have the Made In The USA label!

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Old January 15th, 2004, 10:31 PM   #39
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oops... I meant MARS.
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Old January 16th, 2004, 05:49 AM   #41
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I just had a sudden thought if this turns out to be a bush re-election tactic lets launch him and his family into space!
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Old January 16th, 2004, 06:11 AM   #42
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I just had a sudden thought if this turns out to be a bush re-election tactic lets launch him and his family into space!
I dread the alternative to 4 more years.
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Old January 16th, 2004, 06:15 AM   #43
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My fiance says that he is not voting for Bush again. That man has done nothing positive for this country. Congress wanted to give the federal workers like my stepdad a 4% raise, Bush said "no" and made it a 2% raise. We need a new president fast!
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My fiance says that he is not voting for Bush again. That man has done nothing positive for this country. Congress wanted to give the federal workers like my stepdad a 4% raise, Bush said "no" and made it a 2% raise. We need a new president fast!
Amazing that a 2% raise is enough to get rid of the man. That 2% is above the cost of living increase (3.1%) and the increases in localitly pay (you get more for working in high cost areas like NY, DC and LA)

There are people who get no increase year to year. Feds seem to have it pretty good, if you ask me....
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if you saw the paycheck my dad gets you wouldn't think so!
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Old January 16th, 2004, 11:54 AM   #46
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I see a dangerous problem when AFSCME has the power to raise our taxes to give them raises.
In the private sector,things have been worse for quite a while.
Public sector employees don't even have to make a good or show a profit for shareholders.

I would rather the tax monies go to a trip to Mars than to keep govt workers happy.
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Old January 20th, 2004, 01:21 PM   #47
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I just had a sudden thought if this turns out to be a bush re-election tactic lets launch him and his family into space!
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I bet he would find a way to destroy this planet from up there too.
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Old January 21st, 2004, 06:22 AM   #48
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I didn't even watch him speak last night on tv. He has nothing important to say that I want to hear. All he is concerned about is his rich buddies and the situation in Iraq. He is taking us back to the time when there was the super rich and the super poor. That is no way for the country to recover and prosper!
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And yet your economy is on the rise...
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I beg to differ. The economy here stinks. Jobless claims where I am at is on the rise!
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Old January 22nd, 2004, 03:42 AM   #51
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Perhaps locally, but nationally your economy is rising and improving.
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Old January 22nd, 2004, 08:27 PM   #52
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Perhaps locally, but nationally your economy is rising and improving.
The economy seems ok mainly because interests have been kept down. There is no way that an economy can survive with massive spending and decreasing income, ie. tax breaks for the rich. The 2 million that have lost their jobs since Bush took office probably have a different view.
I am surprised you have nothing bad to say about our administration after it destroyed the Palace Gardens leaving the Queen in tears without even a "sorry".
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There is no way that an economy can survive with massive spending and decreasing income, ie. tax breaks for the rich.
Isn't this why Carter lost in '80???
Strange that such reasoning might elect a Democrat in today's situation.
JFK understood that tax cuts can increase net revenues.
Budgets spend actual dollars, not percents of GNP. In the cases of the Kennedy,Reagan, and arguably Bush(43) tax cuts, the treasury actually took in more constant dollars than before the cuts.

A zero or effecively negative interest rates may promote a deflationary economy. Japan has been enduring this for about a decade. I am not so sure that deflation would be a comletely bad thing. Cost of goods and services plumment, and the purchasing power of the poorest is automatically increased in a way that rising wages in an inflationary economy cannot effect.
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As expected, nothing happened. Obambam pulled the plug, apparently rather spending money on meaningless crap.
We were wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too optimistic back in '69!
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Wow...necromancing a thread from January 2004...that's gotta be some kind of record. You must be bored.
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Default Re: Bush proposal to send man to Mars

Some of the older threads were and still are good.
Just curious...were you around, for Apollo 11?
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I was.... and Apollo 8 ... and.... oh, never mind!

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I was 9 years old when we landed on the moon, so...yes, I was around.
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Me too. Same age.
The glorious future in sapce w hoped for was pissed away. gotta love the bean counters!
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