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Old July 27th, 2014, 02:20 PM   #121
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Sorry, I had them both open and posted the earlier link by mistake.

I have emailed the journalist who promptly came back saying the case is due to go to court next month...if it's not delayed again!
The case has been delayed by about another year...according to said journalist watching matters.
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Folks, there is no "good fight". Not anymore.

Producers are going to do whatever they want to do. Their only interest is in generating money. If they get it out of the old school fans, great. If they generate tons of new viewers and fans, well, for them, that's greater.

Know why?

Old fans die. Sometimes they die simply in the sense that they refuse to step forward to the new offering. Other old fans die as in dead and buried. In any case, a dead fan (whether metaphorical or literal) is not a money spending fan.

So, the choice is:
Keep writing the same ol' fluff that attracts the old school fans, and does nothing for the modern audiences. Keep writing the same ol' fluff til the old school fans are gone, and then you're writing to thin air.

Or you can write a new version that appeals to the modern audiences. You can choose to respect the old schoolers with a couple of nods here and there, or implement the one or two elements of the old stuff that might actually be transcendent enough to extend into the modern market, but most of it is going to have to be what appeals to today's guard.

Why? 'Cause that's where the money is. The new guard.

Recently, I had the relative displeasure of watching (out of morbid curiosity) "The People vs. George Lucas". A most damning tale about the nature of fandom if ever I saw one...and further justification for my abandoning fandom. Fans think they own the very thing that they don't. "Please don't take my Star Wars awayyyy.....I wrote the next paaart."

Back when I was a fan, I used to think that I had a damn good continuation for old school Galactica. But, it was a pipe dream...and I realized I had fallen into the fanboy trap. That's part of the reason why I never finished my other fan-fics. What was the point? Except to write them for myself? Ultimately, that's what you have to do is write for yourself, with the notion that it's never going to make a difference anywhere.

Fans don't decide things. Producers do.

All the fans can do is latch on and enjoy, or scream "childhood rape victim" and rage in futility and impotence until someone listens...which no one ever will.

I, as a non-fan of anything anymore, have only one requirement from Star Wars, Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, or The Muppet Show: Entertain me. If the movies/shows have done this, then mission accomplished, for I hold no higher standard to any one over any other.

Nowhere do I mandate that there must be some kind of fanservice done for my benefit or masturbatory fanboy pleasure.

If what I am seeing is an entirely new take on something I loved before, please, simply, entertain me.

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Old July 27th, 2014, 03:36 PM   #123
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Once more, Martok is vague and indirect. C'mon, Martok, declare yourself plainly!!!!
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Old July 27th, 2014, 05:16 PM   #124
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What seems to be your boggle, sir?
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Old July 27th, 2014, 06:06 PM   #125
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Hyperbole, sir. Hyperbole.
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Old July 27th, 2014, 06:19 PM   #126
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Hyperbole? pfft....balderdash.
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Old July 27th, 2014, 08:06 PM   #127
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Okay. How about some balderpiffle?
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Old July 27th, 2014, 10:58 PM   #128
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One lump, or two?
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Old July 28th, 2014, 01:20 AM   #129
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That was sweet of you.
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Heh...all onomatopoeia aside, that was well written, Martok. I think I came to that same conclusion myself many years ago about a number of different things but was unable to effectively verbalize it in quite the way you have. Well said!
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Thank you.




I thought two lumps would be good too....

...oh...you mean... Ah...cool...thank you.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 05:07 PM   #132
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The Legacy and Return of “Battlestar Galactica”: Room 6BCF, 10:30 a.m. Actors Richard Hatch, Luciana Carro and Jamie Bamber join Dr. Kevin Grazier (science consultant for “Battlestar Galactica”) and producer Alec Peters to discuss the new “Battlestar Galactica” movie and show the Trailer.
???? Trailer?? Concept Trailer?

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Is this true? Have somebody information or saw the ''Trailer''?
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^^^ Interesting. First I've heard of this. Thought it was all still caught up in litigation hell between Larson and Universal. Sounds promising. I'll have to go digging for the trailer, provided it's not a re-showing of Hatch's old trailer from the 90's.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 11:54 PM   #134
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I'm sure it was the Second Coming trailer (and probably the Magellan trailer too).
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And still we wait...
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Yup...same thing is happening to the new Indiana Jones movie. First it was supposed to be out in 2019, then 2020, now 2021...sheesh...
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Ya gotta love lawyers.....
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Old August 27th, 2018, 02:24 PM   #138
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Latest from Francis Lawrence regarding the new movie is here:
http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/bat...ncis-lawrence/

Dated from March of this year, here and elsewhere are signals of character "gender swapping" and nods to both the classic and GiNO versions.... Wow, imagine that. I once had a lot of hope for the franchise with the Fox telefilm continuation that was cancelled in 2001 and with Richard Hatch's Second Coming version. Now I feel Galactica as I know it and like it will be only through the DVD set and MeTV reruns on Saturday nights....sigh.
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Speaking of that, don't forget, Monday, Sep. 17th will be the 40th anniversary!!!
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Let's face it alas. Anytime the name "Battlestar Galactica" gets associated with any potential project it will always be for these people in reference to the other entity and will be made according to the standards and templates of the other entity. As far as I'm concerned, that's less than worthless.

Painful as it is for Galactica fans to admit this, we lost the war for what Galactica means and represents to the people who hated the original and shoved the other entity down our throats and guaranteed that "their" version would become the default meaning of what Galactica is. I accepted that sad reality long ago and it made it easier for me to move on and why I wouldn't let myself ever get enthused about any potential project again because it's not going to be what any of us, all those long years ago when fandom was at its peak in the late 90s, ever thought would happen.
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Jay Basu Tapped to Write ‘Battlestar Galactica’ for Universal

https://www.thewrap.com/jay-basu-bat...ica-universal/
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Jay Basu Tapped to Write ‘Battlestar Galactica’ for Universal

https://www.thewrap.com/jay-basu-bat...ica-universal/

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https://www.thewrap.com/jay-basu-bat...ica-universal/
I am willing to give it a chance. I am curious to see how it will turn out.
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Interesting about this news though as I was looking for more news on the proposed BSG film, is in this story...

https://www.digitaltrends.com/movies...iter-jay-basu/

It says that it will be a reimagining/reboot of Glen Larson's original story/series. Perhaps there is some hope that it will sort of be faithful somewhat to the original series? We can only wait for this thing to develop some more...
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I don't trust any "reimaginings", after what happened the last time. If this ever gets to exposing a single frame of film, it will be a travesty, just like the last one.
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The only reason I'm writing this is because due to the loss of four years worth of posts, something I said in this thread in response to a couple posts of Martok's on this issue of "fandom" are lost. Because an earlier post on the subject is there, I'm only providing a bit of on-the-record counterpoint.

Those who write good fanfic should not be under any illusion that their efforts will ever impress people in actual power. But at the same time, I think there is something to be said for keeping up the good fight in our own creativity and not cede the playing field to people who keep churning out, let us be blunt, utterly BAD comic book series and novels that have not a clue about the nature of the original series. I have yet to be entertained once by the garbage Dynamite Press has put out, and that's because I see people writing stories that think TOS should be filtered through a prism of GINO attitude about TOS as one-dimensional kiddie fare and where there is no understanding of what TOS fans want to see (does ANYONE really think that horrific crossover universe saga that ends with Commander Cain, under Iblis's spell killing Sheba is good TOS storytelling?). To me, it is no coincidence that the reason why Realm Press and the first two Max Press miniseries are still damned good is because they were written before GINO came along to infect every subsequent author's perception of what TOS is ultimately all about.

I don't consider it being a 'victim' to hold to these kind of standards or "falling into a fanboy trap" because I feel I can do better than these hack writers for hire at Dynamite when it comes to entertaining myself and hopefully others in the fan community who are willing to give good fanfic a try. Yes, a lot of it is to please myself but I've found it has managed to please other people too. That to me is as good a point as any to continue with a personal creative vision in a realm where officialdom has failed miserably. Ten years after I stopped writing fanfic because I thought I'd run out of ideas, I've returned to it now and am having more fun than ever.

Anyway, that's off my chest.
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And all Paddon's People said "Amen!!!!"
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While my views on the reimagined Battlestar Galactica have not changed (I still love that show as much as the original...difficult concept, I know), my views on Hollywood have changed a great deal over the years.

The two best movies I've seen in recent years have been Rogue One and Alita Battle Angel...

Otherwise, EVERYTHING now seems to be a remake or a reimagining....and unfortunately, for the most part, a remake or reimagining involves being "woke".... aka "politically correct", "feminazi", and full of things like "representation", "diversity", "inclusivity" and all those other Left wing buzzwords that have infested Tinsel Town for years. If someone writes a story that doesn't have enough blacks, Hispanics, or other so-designated "people of color", the story and its writer are considered racist. If a story or show does not have at least two openly gay people (who make it a point each episode or movie to remind folks that they are gay) then there's not enough "representation" and the writer and the story is considered "homophobic", "transphobic", "gender binary", etc. If the story and its writer do not present a female lead who makes all the men in the show or movie look completely incompetent or dependent on the skillset of said "Whamen", the the story and its writer are considered "misogynistic", "anti-feminist", or are considered advocates of rape culture.

I did not see this in the reimagined Galactica....and some foolishly claim that IT was the start of the whole movement for all of the above. Sorry, but tis not the case. If it were, the show would be considered racist for taking a black man who was a strong supporting character in the original, and turning him into a white alcoholic in the reimagining. Neither the original, nor the reimagining can be accused of a lack of diversity or being misogynistic because both had multiple ethnicities and colors, and strong female characters....and very rarely in either case did women require rescuing by the men. The original series (at least, the pilot episode/movie) could not be accused of being gender binary or "transphobic" because they did have one species that was both male and female (leaning toward "identifying as female"). About the only thing that the original show could be "accused" of by the Social Justice Warriors (SJW's) of today is "lacking representation of people of "other sexual orientations"...so they would likely call the show "homophobic". Also, those same SJW's would likely accuse the reimagined series of "playing it safe" because gay representation came in the form of two fairly hot chicks (Admiral Cain and Gina) having a somewhat lesbian thing. (SJWs accuse Frank Herbert of being homophobic because he made the main bad guy, Baron Vladimir Harkonnen, who is homosexual, a fat, diseased, murderous sexual deviant.)


Ghostbusters 2016 bombed because it was a poorly written story, and featured an all-female GB team who were largely unattractive to look at, and the males were made to be incompetent or simply dick-ish..and the "story", if you can call it that, comes across more like some kind of prolonged improv.

Lots of folks are really pissed off at Disney Lucasfilm because of the direction that the sequel trilogy has taken. The only Star Wars movie that has had a male lead in any of the Disney offerings has been "Solo: A Star Wars Story", and people boycotted it because of their feelings toward The Last Jedi. While I enjoyed The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, my enjoyment was not without a lot of reservations. Those movies left me wanting, did not do true respect to the Legacy characters, and really just felt like footnotes as opposed to any kind of Episode in a ongoing saga.

I think the Story movies (Rogue One and Solo) far outstripped the sequel trilogy thus far, and Rogue One is my all time favorite Star Wars film. Why? Because it is a WAR movie. Yes, it has a very hot female lead, but she is not what people would call a "Mary Sue" (to use the fanfic vernacular).

Ok..enoof on that, let's get back to the point: I once felt that people who clung on to the past by exclusively, and with extreme prejudice, writing a lot of fanfic about the original versions of their beloved properties (Battlestar Galactica) whilst eschewing any other version that did not fall into lock step with the settings and motif of the original were indeed just butt-hurt fanboys, but that is because I had been told by both sides of the fandom (both the original hardcore fans and the prospective fans of the reimagined show--sight unseen) that I had to choose a side...that I was not allowed to like and/or support both shows. So, I chose a side.....MY side, and I dropped fandom like the bad habit it still is. I still like to read such fanfics, because indeed they are of very high quality. It's the self-righteous attitudes behind some of them that give them a bad flavor. Yes, I wrote the long-forgotten Battlestar Galactica: Dark Exodus, but I did not write it with any kind of "I DO THIS BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY BATTLESTAR GALACTICA"... I just wrote it because of my longer familiarity with the classic show. Same thing with when I do CG model builds.... I mostly stick with the original versions, because they are the ones I am most familiar with....not because of some "aversion" to the newer takes. (Although I do find the U.S.S. Discovery to be a very uninspired design for a Federation starship.)

Why do I say it is still a bad habit? Because, there are toxic asshats out there who spew the following: "What?! You liked Star Trek 2009?! You don't know felgercarb about Star Trek!" (which is a rich thing to say to someone who has loved Star Trek for forty-five out of his fifty years of life on this planet). Yes, I LOVED the Kelvin era movies, but I despise Star Trek Discovery which was SJW front-loaded from pre-production. "What?! You liked The Last Jedi?! You ain't no true Star Wars fan!" Sorry, but again, rich thing to say to someone who has loved Star Wars for most of his life. Also, the thing is, with some of these people, it does not matter if you tell them "I liked The Last Jedi, but......". All they hear are the first five words.... nothing afterward. They hear those first five words, all of the sudden they declare you an SJW, Disney shill! (Although, in the broader sense, they would be technically correct..because, again, I am NOT a fan of anything, anymore, because of people like THEM.

So, since 2003, thanks to the childish fan wars over Battlestar Galactica, I have had little to no reason to return to fandom, because the attitude is largely still the same. I still love those things (Star Wars, Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, Babylon 5, StarGate, Harry Potter, etc...most things involved in pop-culture), I still love to talk with fans about our common love of these pop-cuture icons, I still obtain collectibles when I can, I still do fan anmations and CG model builds, I just am not a fan of those icons anymore. Being a fan has become a badge of dishonor in my eyes.

I do agree with a lot of fans about the way Hollywood is frakking up our favorite franchises, with diseased SJW infestation in the constantly dying creative process. Star Wars, Star Trek, GhostBusters, etc., have taken a nose dive because of SJW demands that have somehow been given overwhelmingly undue power and influence. Where I disagree with a lot of those fans is when they disallow for someone like myself, being possessed of independent thought, to like what I wish to like, even if I recognize the many flaws and pitfalls of the things they may despise. It's the whole "with us or against us" mentality that keeps me from wanting to even consider considering (sic) returning to the ranks of fandom. I stand apart (though occasionally allied) with fandom, much in the way Han Solo stood apart yet allied with the Rebellion. I still do not, to this day, believe that the reimagining of Battlestar Galactica was anything like the trash being put out today.
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For the record, I have never been on the side of advocating that one's subjective reactions to any end product was something someone should be attacked for. All of us old enough to remember the name Languatron have a permanent reminder of what *real* obsessed "fandom" at its worst, leads to. If I still choose to believe subjectively that GINO was a horrible end product that also on an objective level caused permanent damage to the reputation and value of what TOS represented that is a POV that does not carry with it the casting of aspersions on people who liked the other show. If viewing enjoyment is derived from it by anyone, that is their business. But neither however, is holding a POV about what the existence of that show meant to the reputation of TOS, a sign of over-obsessive fandom.

I will maintain to my dying day that if TOS fandom had been rewarded with a continuation/closure movie that ended the storyline of TOS in a way we could have been happy with and THEN, five years later a guy named Ron Moore does what he did, hardly any of us would have cared. We might have still called it a bad idea and disliked it, *but* it would not have carried with it the deeper underlying issues of decades of faith not being rewarded and hopes for something that had helped make Galactica fandom a close-knit group for so long, dashed forever. Trek fans who love the original series and hate everything else that followed can't relate to that in the same way because original Trek went as far as it could possibly go with a movie series with the original cast. The emergence of new properties didn't deny them a thing. With our fanbase, we have received little to none in the way of true rewards for our patience. We had a brief shining moment in comic books in the mid-90s that sadly went off the rails, but that would be it. Hatch's novels failed to gain traction with the fanbase because they simply are hopelessly off in terms of remembering basic things that most fanfic writers are capable of grasping. The less said about Dynamite, the better.

Ultimately, if the failure to see our faith rewarded in official projects motivates me to say, "I can do better than that!" I view it as channeling negative energy into something positive. And if respect is merited for fans who like GINO and can look past the circumstances of how it came to be and what it meant (what a lot of us regard a bad flavor), then at the same time we can read fanfic and look past whatever subliminal context motivates a fanfic writer's motives and just judge the story on its own merits. That's all that counts from my standpoint.
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