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Old January 3rd, 2003, 09:21 PM   #31
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Same here! Usually i'm a fun loving guy, it not my fault some trolls targeted me? If anyone's ticked off it's ME not you. i was thanking your suggestion which made me remove the sci-fi link, if not i would still be there so i can't read your posting there.

If advice on the situation is to be met, i've e-mails and e-mailed the sci-fi channel ages ago about trolls on there and Nothing became of it. So as much as your ticked off, and with all due respect to all you have done reviving the continuation version of BG. You're being "Ticked" pales in comparision to me and the troll nonesense i got from over there! So please no selfrightousness from anyone and i mean that, in the kindest way possible! I'm an upfront kind of guy and that won't change, i'm not sugary sweet but i do respect other people's opinions in a discussion and have admited to being wrong in the past. I am sensible enough to be reasoned with.

I've wrote alot of positive posts in the past trying to like all continuation fans to bring back Galactica so lets not forget besides my battle with them trouble makers, i just wanted some peace to post which me and some others don't get over there.

Well my hand of friendship is still extended should, people want to talk to me on BG articles and SORRY to everyone if you misunderstood the gesture of thanks. Prehaps it should go out to Apothis more due to his kind words. In future i'll post less and talk more on events than the fanboy stuff?

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Old January 3rd, 2003, 11:17 PM   #32
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You're being "Ticked" pales in comparision to me and the troll nonesense i got from over there! So please no selfrightousness from anyone and i mean that, in the kindest way possible!
Then read this and tell me differently.

http://bboard.scifi.com/bboard/brows...5/531/317243/8

You're damn straight I'm ticked. Case closed. I'm not discussing this further.

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Old January 4th, 2003, 07:09 AM   #33
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Don't waste time putting up links cos i know what was posted, and i too say the case is closed. nuff said.

But you still weren't as ticked as i was! so lets just leave it at that.

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Old January 4th, 2003, 08:50 AM   #34
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Some responses here demonstrate a lack of understanding about what the issue is. "Who is the most ticked off" doesn't matter at all. The issue is the level of damage done to the credibility of the Galactica fanbase when discussions degenerate into foul comments about sex acts with farm animals and the like. To date, I have yet to see a single Michael Faries post along those lines, and for that, I - and the rest of the fanbase - can be grateful. Would that all - ticked off or not - could show similar restraint.
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Old January 4th, 2003, 10:25 AM   #35
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I usually don't bother to go there much but maybe some of the agitatoer are moles put there to try and make the real BSG fans look bad?
If so best to ignore these fools no matter how mad they make one.
Misery loves company so best leave them alone in their misery
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Old January 4th, 2003, 11:07 AM   #36
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Thanks Michael for the Battlestar Zone web site info!
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Cosmic Cleric: Glad to help.

Stallion_Cornell: Thanks for bringing extra clarity to the issue.

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Well Stevew looks like there are "Moles" on the Sci-fi Bboards, Languatron's either decided to make his handle e-mailble or someone at Universal got so mad they stole his handle and made it e-mailble? Even Languatron wouldn't do that after the amount of people that want his blood (figure of speech)

Best to let it go then, i'm posting here, for now?!

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The Sci-fi channel would be advised to come here to see what the BSG fans really want. I don't go there unless someone I know posts there, otherwise I just ignore the trolls
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The worst thing that's happened to Galactica seems to have happened yesterday (Jan 4), judging by Michael's posts on the Sc-Fi board.

It looks like the end of the 'official' run of classic BSG and the birth of Pornstar Dysfunctia.

Lorne Greene must be spinning in is grave.

The last time I was this depressed was in 1987 (don't ask).

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Old January 18th, 2006, 06:13 PM   #41
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Galactica has had a long series of bad breaks. First, the original series is rushed into production so they also had to rush on scripts. Then the show gets cancelled. ABC then rushes Galactica 1980 into production and is a dismal failure. It is soon cancelled. Except for hard core fans, the show is forgotten. Twenty years pass. Richard Hatch makes a great trailer for a a new series but is turned down by the suits. A continuation is planned, sets are built, but the project falls apart after creative forces leave to pursue other endeavors. The show is reimagined and becomes a cable tv hit. The popular press looks down its collective nose at the original show and hails the remake as the greatest show ever conceived by civilized man. If Classic Battlestar Galactica had no bad luck it would have had no luck at all.
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Boy, we're really excavating some old threads aren't we?

The subject that started this thread was the Rob Liefeld Max Press comic book, and frankly speaking, the initial issues of that series are in all likelihood the *Best* original Galactica stories that have emerged from a formally published entity (when one has comics, the Hatch novels and GINO as the collective body which there is to judge) in the years since the show was cancelled. Despite some not very stellar reimaginings in the artistic designs (like Starbuck, Baltar and Cain with the long hair and ponytails), you could tell that Liefeld for the most part had a basic familiarity with the episodes and a number of nuances. I really enjoyed what he did with Apollo-Sheba and he was laying the foundation for an interesting premise that raised questions of what had happened to Earth if they arrived to a prehistoric planet but had picked up the Apollo XI transmission.

Then alas, things went afield starting with Hatch's story, and then the wheels fell off with the dreadful "Journey's End" which in effect thumbed its nose at the entire Galactica mythos by deciding to tinker with how things were established through a time travel cliche. The real problem was that after starting with an epic story, Max Press needed to slow down and have a few low key stories to let other plotlines develop, but it seemed like every new story had to be a higher stakes kind of thing, and by the time we get to Journey's End let's throw the whole kitchen sink in.

I really never had a chance to judge Realm Press's comics much. They were I'm sure a cut above Marvel's (which always have the stigma of not having key episodes in Galactica history incorporated into its universe with LL and WOTG), but Max Press I think at the beginning, did offer a rare moment of something to feel good about.
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I agree. I remember when the first Max Press issue came out. It was like a dream. There had not been any Galatica product out for about a decade. I was dying for anything new. While I was not crazy about the art work and the reimagined (I hate that word) designs, I was willing to roll with it because it was a continuation of the original storyline. I bought them all. I did like some things that this series added to the Galactica mythos. For example, the beings of light were named the Seraphs. I always thought it was a fitting name.

The Marvel tales were products of their time. My understanding was that Universal licenced only Saga of a star world and lost planet of the gods to Marvel. Everything that followed in the series was off limits. For Marvel to use Cain, Count Iblis, etc would have required Marvel to renegotioate the contract and pay Universal more money for the rights. I was really bummed out when this series was cancelled. It was like having the show cancelled all over again.

The Realm press books looked great. The ships and costumes were dead on. The Problem with Realm was that they were too ambitious. They never seemed to finish a story befor they started a new series. There are like three stories that have never been resolved because the company went out of business.

Oh well, maybe some day there will be new classic Galactica on the stands again.
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I agree. I remember when the first Max Press issue came out. It was like a dream. There had not been any Galatica product out for about a decade. I was dying for anything new. While I was not crazy about the art work and the reimagined (I hate that word) designs, I was willing to roll with it because it was a continuation of the original storyline. I bought them all. I did like some things that this series added to the Galactica mythos. For example, the beings of light were named the Seraphs. I always thought it was a fitting name.

The Marvel tales were products of their time. My understanding was that Universal licenced only Saga of a star world and lost planet of the gods to Marvel. Everything that followed in the series was off limits. For Marvel to use Cain, Count Iblis, etc would have required Marvel to renegotioate the contract and pay Universal more money for the rights. I was really bummed out when this series was cancelled. It was like having the show cancelled all over again.

The Realm press books looked great. The ships and costumes were dead on. The Problem with Realm was that they were too ambitious. They never seemed to finish a story befor they started a new series. There are like three stories that have never been resolved because the company went out of business.

Oh well, maybe some day there will be new classic Galactica on the stands again.
The sooner the better. BTW, I have been in contact with Chris Scalf lately and he is working on a new website. One of the things on it will be a history of Realm Press. He also plan's a 'Now and Then' section, showing art from the comic and how he would do it now. Let me tell you that I have seen the first update, based on cover #2 and all I can say is WOW! If you liked his art then you should love it now. If a classic Galactica comic comes back I hope Chris does the art on some of them. Chris said he would post here at Fleets when the site is ready.

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That's great news! I can't wait!

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I would love seeing a new TOS comics series done properly emerge again, if only because unlike the Hatch novels, the comics offered on occasion a more appropriate vision of how things could have continued.
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The worst thing? Hmmm... I'll have to think about that one... I'll get back to you
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Looking back over all that has come and gone, the 'worst' thing is poppa Larson/ Universal wilful neglect of the franchises potential.
Not only sabotaging continuation attempts (and I am NOT just referring to the birth of TNS), but lacklustre DVD releases, failure to merchandise to the fan base etc etc.

If only they had been more liberal with the rights to the franchise much earlier, and if they didn't want to actually do anything with his creation, then they should have set it free and just taken the money.. They think it has worth but they can't find the key to unlock it, meanwhile the object of their obsession is suffering from their neglect.

Considering what the fanbase has done despite this indifference, think of what we could have had with the owners' blessings/assisstance!!

I know its not that simple.

Too many wasted opportunities, too many so near and yet so far projects.

(But it truly LIVES with the fans... )

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If only they had been more liberal with the rights to the franchise much earlier, and if they didn't want to actually do anything with his creation, then they should have set it free and just taken the money..

I know its not that simple.

Too many wasted opportunities, too many so near and yet so far projects.

(But it truly LIVES with the fans... )

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But it was simple and is in the hands of the fans.

Consider;

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The fans have taken matters into their own hands.

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Well Lara, I wouldn't call the DVD release "lackluster." In fact, compared to all the other TV shows of this era that Universal has released on DVD, Galactica has fared the best. We got lucky that a different management was still in place at Universal at the time, which had released only one vintage show on DVD ("Baretta"-Season 1) and nothing else through 2003. That meant when they put together Galactica, they gave it all the bells and whistles you could ask for. The only tidbits I would have liked to have seen that weren't there were the blooper reels from the 15 Yahren Con and maybe some of the bumpers ("Battlestar Galactica will continue in a moment") but the idea that all of the deleted footage from Saga was something I never would have anticipated at all!

Today though, Universal is just churning out shows on DVD with no regard for producing quality extras. Whether you're a fan of Columbo, Night Gallery, Dragnet, Buck Rogers etc. you won't see your show on DVD get a tenth of the loving care Galactica got on DVD. And for that, we should all feel very fortunate and grateful.
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As someone who was there, I concur.

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So the one thing that really cheesed me off was the complete and utter lack of knowledge exibited in the comic.

The Galactica shows up and Earth is in the Jurrassic period? I know...time travel, blah blah blah.

Take a look at the planet. More specifically the continents.

North America didn't look like that when dinos walked the Earth. None of the continents did. But the accuracy of the historical reality wouldn't have helped that story anyway.

So they expected none of their readers to know the difference, suspected they were too stupid to recognize Pangaea when they saw it, or were too ignorant of geological history to put it in.

That big of a mistake literally ruins the experience for me. Maybe I'm too harsh, but that's the way I see it. My wife nearly blew a gasket when she read it.

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Well Lara, I wouldn't call the DVD release "lackluster." In fact, compared to all the other TV shows of this era that Universal has released on DVD, Galactica has fared the best.
I'll agree that it was a lot better than Universal has generally done with its property, but my Stargate, B5 or Trek sets are better packaged, with more info, and my B7 sets have better use of the additional material.

However, I am looking at this from a R4 buyers POV. There was no booklet insert, no extra commentary etc etc, as we were promised. The set was delivered late and the version we got inside the Cylon Head packaging by the time they got to us was only the standard 6 discs with the 7th one shoved in in a paper sleeve. Good, but not brilliant, and not all the bells and whistles the fans had been discussing.. Without getting a R1 Cylon Head set, I'm still not sure exactly what I've missed

I agree the deleted footage was nice

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Today though, Universal is just churning out shows on DVD with no regard for producing quality extras. Whether you're a fan of Columbo, Night Gallery, Dragnet, Buck Rogers etc. you won't see your show on DVD get a tenth of the loving care Galactica got on DVD. And for that, we should all feel very fortunate and grateful.
And I didn't intend to bite the hand that fed me, but for $AUS130 I expected what their own media release promised, and not play poor cousin to the R1 release.

I should have said video as well as DVD..

Getting the VHS / PAL tapes was hard, and then they weren't the locally aired version and several of them were terrible transfers. And VERY expensive.
When the cable station started up 10 years ago and was showing BSG, it started selling the VHS tapes. These were better, and when they finally hit general sales five years back, I was finally able to complete the set (Stupid mismatched covers and all..)

The show was a network headliner down here, in prime time, and is still remembered well by people of my/our generation..

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Sorry you had a rougher experience with the R4 release. I was viewing things only through the R1 prism, and on that score Galactica does come out way ahead and I think far better than Star Trek: TOS has. But not being aware of the R4 experience I can see why you would have formed that conclusion.

The VHS experience for Galactica in the U.S. market was indeed bad with only weak one part episodes released (until LPOTG and GOIPZ around 1997) and using bad master elements.
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This question is tuff. I'd say doing Galactica1980 then Larson not bringing the show back around the mid 1990's when television was friendly to space opera and Larson still had clout.
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Well Chris has his site up. Here's a link to the site and one the the page with the now & then art.

http://www.chrisscalf-art.com/index.htm

http://www.chrisscalf-art.com/images...G%20Cover2.htm

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What Moore is doing it is not BSG. He can call it BSG, but it just plain isn't, so I don't even pay any attention to it.

The worst thing that happened to BSG was the Lucas lawsuit filed way back when. I remember that's when things began to take a downturn. Suddenly, BSG was associated with Star Wars, which it clearly wasn't. And then because BSG was a "rip off of Star Wars" it had no legitimacy in the SF world. To me it just wasn't fair. Nobody saw BSG for what it was, which was a very imaginative and FUN show.
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Somebody had to come first. In what most folks consider the "modern era of space opera" that would be StarWars. Galactica wasn't a direct rip-off of Star Wars as it was in development before SW hit theatres, but Star Wars DID loosen the purse strings of many studios and set the tone for the amazing visual effects bills that would be arriving as a result of their forays into space opera.

Tear them both down to their basic structure and the two are completely dissimilar.

Look at them on the surface, and they appear to be "kissin' cousins".

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The odd thing about Galactica is that it bears a resemblance to another property that I love... The Micronauts.

Not so much in story as in the way it's been handled over the years. Like the Micronauts, everybody has their own version of what the property is about. With the 'Nauts, you have the original japanese Microman storyline, the Marvel comics storyline, the storyline that came up in the Devils' Due comic series, the storyline that was purported by the Micronauts paperback novels, the micronauts storyline that was in development for the potential animated series , the storyline suggested by recent appearances of the original Micronauts characters in various Marvel comics titles and the storylines we all made up as kids when we were playing with the toys! Now there's a major motion picture version floating around on the periphery. What it comes down to is that there is NO ONE OFFICIAL storyline. Its confusing to the marketplace.

So now we've had the official television history of Galactica, the continuation dictated by Galactica 1980, the original Marvel Comics storyline, the Realm Press storyline, the Rob Leifeld storyline, the new Sci-Fi Channel version, the version Richard Hatch presses in his novels, the Tom DeSanto version, and the version we all carry around in our own heads fromthe bazillion or so fan-fic stories we've ingested over the years. And depending on the fan, each one buys into a totally different assemblage of all of the above. Its confusing at best.

Its no wonder that the general public doesn't know what to make of Battlestar Galactica! Its no wonder the suits in Hollywood are skittish to support anything other than what's on tv right now.

The worst thing that happened to Galactica? When Universal decided they didn't care who wrote what about it. It diluted the brand. To many cooks in the kitchen, I say.

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I'd have to disagree with that for the most part, and having written fanfic set in multiple universes regarding the post-HOG world of Galactica, I probably am biased on that point. In the absence of a live action project set after HOG, I think it's not possible for there to have been any kind of "official" storyline that Universal could have, or should have for that matter, patented. IMO what Universal needed to do was loosen the standards for an explosion of Galactica novels done by the more talented authors out there, and opened up a wider range of interesting storytelling to a wider audience. Star Trek has not been hurt by having a wide range of novels out there, none of which technically can be said to represent being part of the official Trek storyline. Galactica IMO could only have been strengthened if people had a chance to see what I've seen in the fanfic realm: That there are a lot of good stories in different post-HOG universes in which to go with these characters and the story templates given us by all of the original episodes.
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Then we'll have to agree to dis-agree!

We're not talking about a venerated brand like, say Batman or Superman or even Star Trek for that matter. Those properties had many years of opportunity to embedd their base storyline and the relationships between characters in the American concious before they started mucking about with them.

Galactica got one season and then was off the radar for a long time. Somebody above said that it would have been pretty much the perfect event to have a revival in the late 1980's or early 1990's and I agree.

When the majority of the television watching public gets Larson's Buck Rogers and Galactica confused (and they DO... try talking about it at church some day or in a crowd of NASCAR fans at a party... you'll see) its hard to get a studio exec to buy in. It's got a percieved lack of clear focus as a property.

"Yeah, I used to love that show," they say, "That Starbuck Rogers was kinda dumb but that little Twiggy robot was funny and those flying motorcycles were kick ass! I hated that kid and his robot bear though. Didn't they have a monkey on that show too?"

"No." you say, "There was a monky inside the daggit suit. But there was no monkey ON the show."

"Huh, could'a sworn there was a monkey and a gal with huge hooters."

"You're thinking of BJ and the Bear."

"The kid with the bear was named BJ? I thought he was daggit?"

And so on. I kid you not. This is a REAL conversation.

One of the reasons that the Moore Galactica is doing so well is that they took the property and declared their mastery over it. They got rid of anything ambiguous and chiseled their version in video stone. And because they got there first, they have the upper hand in calling the rules of the property's universe. They took advantage of the whole new generation of TV watchers who don't remember all the great stuff we do about the original. Yes, there are plenty of OLD fans out there. But there are potential NEW fans entering the room every day. And all the NEW fans know is the NEW Galactica. If they even know the old show exists, they don't care about it.

The owner of the rights to the MICRONAUTS, Ken Abrams, has contacted me on several occasions to help him sort out all the troublesome details of who-owns-what and what-details-belong-where with the many Micronaut storylines. Each time he calls, its more confounding than the last. Trying to explain the differences is a pain in the butt.

But I think he's working on "re-imagining" the Micronauts in the same way Moore has re-imagined Galactica. He pretty much knows my feelings about that, so he's not really telling me much about it. Its probably a smart move and a very market-wise one. A "re-boot" of the entire property.

Anyway, I guess the way I should have phrased it was not "diluted the brand", but "fractured the following".

If a new Galactica came up, say as a movie, and it was based upon Richard Hatch's books, I'd be just as dis-inclined to watch it as the Sci-Fi version. I don't like Richard's take on the property. And I know quite a few others who don't as well.

If it was based on the Leifeld comics, I wouldn't be interested either. And that's all personal taste.

Though I know that there're tons of fans out there who think Richard's books are the be-all and end-all of the franchise. And they'd be all over it. But the producers would be missing out on potential nostalgia dollars. And they don't like that. They want ALL the dollars.

With all of this stuff hanging around, how do you please everybody and make your NEW OLD Galactica a viable property that ALL of the OLD fans will enjoy and NEW fans will not take as a rip-off of the Sci-fi version?

Its quite a pickle. In fact, it may be more of a kumquat.

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