New Richard Hatch Interview at the Cylon Alliance

Well, you can forget Vanilla. All the store is gonna stock from now on is chocolate.

[Dawg]

I'm going to respond to Martok and Syn by reposting something I posted over at CA (cross-posting is something I'm not usually in favor of, but it fits here):

I should be surprised that this discussion has come back yet again. I should be, but I'm not.

I've got a news flash for y'all - the revival effort has never been just about Richard Hatch. It's been about us, the fans. Years ago Richard saw the interest was out there and he went to the effort and expense to try to show TPTB that the interest was out there. He became a figurehead for the revival effort. It had to have been a frustrating position for him to be in, what with no real legal standing in the issue but with so much greater knowledge than any of us of how the system worked. He sweated blood on our behalf, but was never able to make the headway needed to be taken seriously.

Richard is one of the most forward-thinking people I've ever come across. He also tries to see the best in everything and everyone.

As I understand it, he finally realized that he did not have the clout to single-handedly bring back TOS Galactica, regardless of the support he had from us. He realized he needed to become known for his own work to be taken seriously by the real money. In order to do that he needs to work. He needs to get some degree of notariety in order to bring Magellan to its full potential, which in turn will give him greater notariety. Etc.

And he is right.

Whether he will ever be able to weild clout enough to actually influence when and how TOS BSG is brought back is unknown. It is hoped that he will, since his vision and desire are clear and strong, and I think he has spoken to that hope.

I see Richard as having deliberately stepped down from the role of our figurehead in order to pursue that longer-term goal. He has given the reins, if you will, to us, since this whole effort has been about the fans in the first place. He has removed himself as a major factor in the revival effort.

But Richard has not abandoned us. He has not sold out. He is not a traitor. I take vigorous issue with anyone who says so - because if that were true he would have turned his back on us. He hasn't. He is still adamant about continuing our efforts, about keeping the faith. He is vocal in his support of our efforts as CFF. He has continued to express his support - and love - of TOS, and his desire to see it return.

But he's not at the forefront of the effort any more. We are. WE are. It is US who will make the difference.

And that's the point. It doesn't matter what the actors do. (In fact, I see an amusing poetic justice to Richard making money off the RDM production.) It's up to US to move TPTB (including Glen and Tom) to take a hard look at a TOS movie. A TOS movie that includes Dirk as Starbuck, Herb as Boomer, and Richard as Apollo.

The real question is - can we rise above these petty squabbles over non-issues and devote our energy to actually make that difference?

I am
Dawg

Do we really need to rehash the subject again?

I am
Dawg

[BST]

Reverend,

With all due respect, that is one opinion with which I happen to disagree.

I will NEVER give up the effort to bring back the Original Galactica. I realize that you're new to Colonial Fleets but, you'll find that there are many folks here that will echo those feelings. You'll also find that a fair portion of the folks that have expressed favorable feelings about the mini-series are also championing the effort to bring back the original. Many of those folks have contributed monies to the efforts of the Colonial Fan Force. Even though they profess a fondness for the mini-series as well as TOS, they're still "brothers- and sisters-in-arms".

At the risk of using a rather painful cliche', please "give them a chance".

The "period at the end of the sentence" is still a long ways off. There is still something worth fighting for. We haven't been waging this effort for nearly 26 years, to just roll over and give up.


Welcome to Colonial Fleets!!

BST

[martok2112]

Originally Posted by repcisg

Well said Martok2112, well said.

Thank you, Rep.

Originally Posted by Reverend Dr Syn

Dont you get it? He was our last symbol of hope. And he just cast his vote for the other party.

But I cant expect you to understand. After all, you have what YOU want. A new show. I wouldnt expect you to care.

Rev..I am not trying to stoke your fires or anything. But I DO understand, (and I DO care) So, please do NOT cast me in with the apathetic lot, because I am a fan of the CLASSIC show as well. And no, I do not think that Richard Hatch has simply "cast his vote" for the other party. You seem to have overlooked that I still believe in his efforts for the original show as well. Richard Hatch has betrayed no one. I am sure that you read that I meant no disrespect to you in my previous post. I get the feeling that you think I have disrespected you. If that is the case, then I am sorry that you misunderstood.

Originally Posted by Dawg

Do we really need to rehash the subject again?

I must agree with the Dawg on this one. This subject can get overly heated...and Rev, I do not wish to have any ill-will from you, or towards you. We are all friends here, regardless of which end of the fence we reside, or how much of the fence we straddle. I also agree wholeheartedly with the quote he posted. And I am stopping on this particular line to defuse the bomb before it goes off.

Originally Posted by BST

You'll also find that a fair portion of the folks that have expressed favorable feelings about the mini-series are also championing the effort to bring back the original. Many of those folks have contributed monies to the efforts of the Colonial Fan Force. Even though they profess a fondness for the mini-series as well as TOS, they're still "brothers- and sisters-in-arms".

If anything, Reverend, please believe that statement with great heart.

I would like to welcome you to the fleets. As with all opinions, they are everyone's own, but I do believe that each opinion is valued here.

Allow me to say that I do value your presence here at the Fleets, and I admire the passion which you show towards the original BATTLESTAR GALACTICA.

So, on that note, ........... friends?



Respectfully,
Martok2112

[jewels]

Originally Posted by Reverend Dr Syn

Well, you can forget Vanilla. All the store is gonna stock from now on is chocolate.

Not necessarily. Butterscotch sundaes are better with vanilla ice cream. Or Honey over vanilla ice cream.... Oh, I must stop! I love ice cream but I suffer every time I eat it (or any dairy).

Galactica was and is a classic. There are people today in Hollywood that still understand that both vanilla and chocolate can be viable and even mutually beneficial--different takes on a similar basic "worlds destroyed, vagabond fleet flies to the stars as their final hope" sense. I'm not interested in Moore's version as it stood at the end of the mini. Not the story I want told, but I won't deny it to those who like it. Frankly, if they killed off Kara Thrace, it might be watchable for me, though I would still find it misnamed.

But the hope, the family, loyalty, friendship, duty, faith of TOS....there's story a-plenty to continue on with there.

Welcome to Fleets, Dr. Syn. Every point of view is welcome but you might find that a lot of us who found the mini to not be our thing, are more focused on positive ways to show ourselves still wanting Mr. Larson to exercise his theatrical film rights. Basically giving everyone the freedom to support the vision or visions they like.

Check out our efforts at www.colonialfanforce.org and join in if you think that it would give you a positive outlet to try to get your "vanilla" back.

Jewels

[Eric Paddon]

"Second, the new BATTLESTAR GALACTICA does not replace, or supercede the original BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. The continuation effort is still thriving...it's just going to take some time."

I'm sorry, but I do not accept that premise. If this version were not meant to "supercede" TOS, then it would have had the guts to go by another name. Read all the TV critics who wrote their pieces at the time the mini came out and those who praised it, were without hestitation praising it for being on the lines of something "better than that dumb series from the 70s". The bottom line is that Ron Moore knows damn well that his ability to succeed *depends* on his version of something called "Battlestar Galactica" taking the place of the original, because that's the only way he's ever going to get praised by the mainstream TV critics. If he succeeds, then you can kiss-off continuation forever, no matter how many full-page ads are ever bought from my standpoint.

"There would still be the classic "BLACK HAT/WHITE HAT" fare that endeared many of us. But save the kiddie fare for Spy Kids. (A trilogy I happen to enjoy, BTW) BATTLESTAR GALACTICA is about a very dark subject...the attempted annihilation of the human race, and the exodus of its survivors. Plain and simple. You can't make a kiddie show out of that."

Excuse me, but the idea that conflict and war has a black-white dichotomy to it is NOT "kiddie fare" and that is a total mischaracterization of the earlier point made about TOS's approach to conflict. It's *because* of the stakes involved in the annhilation of the human race that the conflict needs to be seen in a pure black-white approach and not this muddled approach of Moore which is every bad cliche of sci-fi relativism revisited. I think to call TOS's approach to the nature of the war and its religious underpinnings "kiddie values" does TOS a disservice. The only thing "kiddie" imposed by the network was turning the Cylons into robots, but this was ultimately used to good effect from an adult philosophical standpoint in WOTG with the revelation of what happened to the original living Cylons.

"Nothing has been done to the BATTLESTAR GALACTICA that I know and love. "

All I've seen is a gaggle of TV critics who fawned over Moore trashing it, and a production team that IMO is determined to marginalize TOS's legacy at all costs in order to justify their end-product.

"Hmmmm.....it's still ice cream, it's just a different flavor."

The only ice cream flavor I'd liken Moore's effort to comes from a comic strip where a guy comes in and sees on the board that today they're being offered a single scoop of "Banana-butterscotch-vanilla-orange-fudge". He's intrigued by that and asks, "Did you just create a new flavor?" The response, "No, we just cleaned the place yesterday."

[martok2112]

Eric,

If you read that I characterized the original show as "kiddie fare", then I apologize if I worded it improperly. (Or that you misread my intention.) I did not mean to make it sound that way. The original "premise" of BSG is FAR from kiddie fare. As I said, the annihilation of the human race, and its consequential exodus into the stars is not "kiddie fare" and has rather dark connotations. But for the record...I NEVER characterized the "black and white" nature of the show, or its religous underpinnings, or anything like that as "kiddie fare." Perhaps you should ask for someone's clarification of something they said, as opposed to FLAT OUT accusing them of mischaracterizing something. Also, I suggest that you print my entire quote of that particular area, instead of only part of it so that a spin can be put to what I said. That is precisely what causes misunderstanding.

For the record: Here is my quote in its entirety:

Originally Posted by Martok2112

That a continuation may have to be darker, more edgy...well, that may be true, but the heroes would still be the same...possessing the same values as they did in the original. They would still be heroes that kids of today could look up to. There would still be the classic "BLACK HAT/WHITE HAT" fare that endeared many of us. But save the kiddie fare for Spy Kids. (A trilogy I happen to enjoy, BTW) BATTLESTAR GALACTICA is about a very dark subject...the attempted annihilation of the human race, and the exodus of its survivors. Plain and simple. You can't make a kiddie show out of that. The only reason that the original show had such kiddie values is because of the network standards and practices at the time. I am quite convinced that if the original show were not so constrained by S and P, we would've seen a somewhat darker, perhaps even more conflicted BATTLESTAR GALACTICA in that day.

Allow me to repeat part of that....one more tinme:

Originally Posted by Martok2112

The only reason that the original show had such kiddie values is because of the network standards and practices at the time. I am quite convinced that if the original show were not so constrained by S and P, we would've seen a somewhat darker, perhaps even more conflicted BATTLESTAR GALACTICA in that day.

I believe I've been very clear in my meaning. I NEVER said that the original show was "Kiddie Fare". If it had kiddie fare in it....it was not by their particular choice.

The show can be about family, and caring, and the conflict, and the holocaust, and exodus. At its core, those elements are NOT kiddie fare. The whole Muffit element was the kiddie fare thing...in fact, I think Muffit the Daggit was responsible for those blasted EWOKS. (I for one still like the Muffit element...but that was then! This is now.)

Look, I think everyone on this board would love to see a continuation that does get edgier, without pushing certain boundaries as the new BATTLESTAR GALACTICA did. (And I freely admit, it did.) Shoot, look at the new Star Wars movies....George Lucas made a mistake by trying to keep the new movies as close to kiddie fare as possible...what with Jar Jar Binks. His fans have grown up 20-30 years since the original trilogy. I'd love to see how he's gonna make Episode III look. That is supposed to be the rise of the Empire, and the coming of Darth Vader, the fall of the Jedi, and the Revenge of the Sith! (Title of new movie used for dramatic effect.)

Battlestar Galactica's fans have grown up too. Now, before ANYONE starts accusing me of saying "That's what the new BATTLESTAR GALACTICA is for" allow me to offer a caveat here.

I think that a continuation of the Classic (God, I love that word) BATTLESTAR GALACTICA can be done properly, keeping its core values (family, and caring, and the conflict, and the holocaust, and exodus), while getting darker in the areas of conflict, holocaust, and exodus. Those are very universal themes that can reach all ages. I just don't think that the Muffit element would get very far, even with today's youth. Again, it's not that I don't like the Muffit element, but it is an unfortunate truth.

I believe that my intended meaning was that the Classic (goosebumps) BATTLESTAR GALACTICA was a victim of S and P (Standards and Practices, not Sex and Pornography, you pervs.... ) imposed on it at the time.

Allow me to repeat:
I believe that my intended meaning was that the Classic (goosebumps) BATTLESTAR GALACTICA was a VICTIM of S and P imposed on it at the time.



Also, if you read the Glen Larson novelization of SASW, you will find some very interesting differences between it, and the show that aired. We never heard Apollo invoke God's wrath in SASW the show. Yet he clearly did so in the novel. Shall I quote it for you? I would rather not, because I prefer to avoid profanity (especially very strong profanity) on these boards. (Not a pious thing, just following the rules.) And yes, I am very much aware that the Muffit element is in Glen Larson's novel. (Which begs the question: Which came first? The novel or the movie?) And if anyone's owned the original comic adaptation of BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, then you'll remember that Baltar's execution scene was graphically portrayed in the comic book.

In the end, it all comes down to personal opinion. That our opinions conflict, Eric, is what makes us human.

And that is what both BATTLESTARs GALACTICA are about. "What makes us human?"

However, I will say one thing....and people can take it any way they see fit. I make NO APOLOGIES for this.

Defeatist attitudes:
If you've given up hope in a continuation (or a more faithful remake) of Classic (can a brotha git a minit?) BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, then you are the ones who've SOLD OUT.

Glen Larson, Tom DeSanto, Richard Hatch and most, if not all of the original surviving cast, and many of the thousands of die-hard Classic (I'm alright....I'm alright) GALACTICA fans still have hope, and are very pro-active in securing their hopes for the future of BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. They have NOT sold out!

In fact, I salute the most visible positive aspect of that movement, The Colonial Fan Force. Commander Taggart and company, you are an inspiration to ALL Galactica fans. And although I've not been able to afford to contribute to that noble pursuit monetarily, I am there in spirit. Heck, Ron D. Moore contributed to it monetarily and endorsed it.

Respectfully,
Martok2112

Oh, so IVE sold out have I? Thanks for the insult. Im not the person embracing the degraded version of what he's been supposedly campaigning for. But if you want insults just keep it up.

Im not a defeatist, Im a realist. Ive learned through experience that anything that CAN go wrong WILL go wrong. If it doesnt kill the revival, its certainly going to cripple it. And the more the new show gains prominence the less the general public will be receptive to a continuation of the original.

So how can you have two continuities going on at the same time? That will cause a LOT of confusion to a public that thinks Jack Black is funny. When a remake is made, its generally done to replace whats come before. If the original was good enough it would stand to reason that a re-imagining wouldnt be done in the first place. They didnt build upon what came before, they threw it out ENTIRELY. Im not blinding myself to its very serious flaws simply because the name is BSG. Saying youre committed to the classic but signing onto the new show is like saying you despise Bill Gates, but are the first in line to buy the newest Microsoft product. You cant have it both ways.

[martok2112]

Originally Posted by Reverend Dr Syn

Saying youre committed to the classic but signing onto the new show is like saying you despise Bill Gates, but are the first in line to buy the newest Microsoft product. You cant have it both ways.

Oh, yes I can. I don't care for Mr. Gates at all, but I do plan on picking up an Xbox soon.

Originally Posted by Reverend Dr Syn

Oh, so IVE sold out have I? Thanks for the insult.(rant omitted for brevity--Martok)....But if you want insults just keep it up.

Well, I didn't wish to ensue in an insult contest. That was not the point of my post. If you took what I said as an insult...that is your problem, not mine. Like I said, NO APOLOGIES.

Amigo, just relax here. You are among friends. You are new to the group...and the last thing I honestly wanted to do was get you riled up. I do not operate that way. You are going to find plenty of kindred spirits here who love the Classic show, and despise the new one. But they have learned to be reasonable. I have no doubt that you are (or at least can be) a reasonable person. I will apologize at least for this...if I have given you the wrong impression about me, I am sorry. But understand that people CAN be fans of Classic BATTLESTAR GALACTICA as well as New BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. In much the same way that you feel (and KNOW in your heart of hearts) that you have NOT sold out, it is the same for myself and many others that we CAN be fans of two BATTLESTARs GALACTICA.

Originally Posted by Reverend Dr Syn

So how can you have two continuities going on at the same time? That will cause a LOT of confusion to a public that thinks Jack Black is funny.

Simple. Sure, there is a broad, general consciousness of Classic BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, but rest assured, not everyone in the general public has seen Classic BATTLESTAR GALACTICA (let alone the new BATTLESTAR GALACTICA) And rest assured, NOT EVERYONE has even HEARD of Classic BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, or even the new BATTLESTAR GALACTICA for that matter. So, if they were to see a preview of a movie coming out called BATTLESTAR GALACTICA (the Classic continuation), they might be inclined to think a couple of things.

1. Dag, that sure does look like a rip off of Star Wars! (A sentiment that has been echoed --even to my chagrin-- since 1978.)

2. Wow, that movie looks like it's gonna rock! Space battles, beautiful women, cool heroes!

Again, keep in mind that I am speaking of a very large portion of the general public that doesn't have BATTLESTAR GALACTICA of any incarnation anywhere except maybe in the most remote recesses of the backs of their minds.

What you don't think Jack Black is funny? (You haven't seen his rip on Lord of the Rings yet, have you?) BTW, if you think that was a slam on the general public...well, you've got a hard row to hoe. Trust me....just relax.

Originally Posted by Reverend Dr Syn

When a remake is made, its generally done to replace whats come before. If the original was good enough it would stand to reason that a re-imagining wouldnt be done in the first place. They didnt build upon what came before, they threw it out ENTIRELY. Im not blinding myself to its very serious flaws simply because the name is BSG.

Now, this is a point that is difficult to debate. For the most part, you are correct. A lot of times, when someone sets out to do a remake, it is with the intention of somehow doing it better than the original. They even try to delude themselves into thinking that they were doing some kind of homage to the original work...and failed miserably. (Many people will cite "Wild Wild West" and "Lost In Space" as perfect examples of remakes gone bad....BATTLESTAR GALACTICA notwithstanding.) Make no mistake, at least Ron D. Moore did not delude himself into thinking he was making a faithful remake of the original. He had his own ideas on where to go with it....much to "only Classic fans' " chagrins, thus it was called a re-imagining. And I read ya on the part about not blinding yourself to the new shows flaws, simply because its called BSG. There can me many non-GALACTICA flaws with it as well. But, there are those who enjoy the show, and those who do not. But there is no reason whatsoever why fans of either or both cannot get along. However, NO ONE can deny that Ron Moore did not at least salute a few aspects of the Classic show. For example, the original Cylons...it would seem that we may possibly see them in an upcoming episode. The rag tag ships in this fleet. A lot of them look like original models from the original show. The Viper Mk II...a very sweet looking Original styled fighter. "Life here began out there...Those are the first words of the sacred scrolls. And they were told to us by the Lords of Kobol, many countless centuries ago." That is a salute to the religion of Classic Galactica, even if the Egyptian aspect of the mythos is gone. Also, there is a scene in the new show where Laura Roslin learns of her ailment....if you are looking at the overhead window in the establishing shot, you will see a ship fly directly overhead that looks like a CGI model taken from original concept art of the original Galactica. The retractable flight pods...that was something they wanted to do in the original series, but could not for budget constraints...although the original ship does have retractable pods in the Glen A. Larson novelization.

Anyhoo, trust me, Rev. I have no animosity towards you, and I welcome you to the fleets gladly. Again, you are among friends. (If I didn't like you, I wouldn't be pickin' on you.) How many times have you heard that one? Well, in this case, it's true. I think you have a lot of insight to bring to the fleets, and we are all eager to hear what you have to say about BATTLESTAR GALACTICA.

Again, welcome, and no hard feelings,
Martok2112

[Eric Paddon]

I am willing to accept your explanation and clarification regarding the "kiddie fare" comment. What that comes back to is the fact that classic Galactica can fit easily into the kind of epic saga it was at its core without upsetting the critical underpinnings that Ronald Moore spat on and threw into the garbage.

Currently, on the fanfic list we are doing a Second Season project and after eight full stories have demonstrated rather well I think how anything that hindered Galactica originally can be easily dispensed with without harming the integrity of the show and its continuity.

But let me return to the point you did not address in my post which is your contention that the existence of the new project does not "supercede" the original, and I think this is missing the point that in order for this thing to succeed it has no other choice but to hope it "supercedes" the original. And that element is why I think I quite properly take a realistic view of the continuation prospects as nil so long as there is such a thing as a Moore show trying to justify its existence by giving those who hated the original in the TV critic landscape a chance to say, "This is the right way to do that dumb concept from the 70s". There is nothing "selling out" about that, it's just taking a look at the situation as it is. And as for Ron Moore contributing to the ad campaign, anyone who thinks that was nothing more than a PR stunt on his part designed to take the heat off (just as his casting of Richard is nothing more than a PR stunt) is IMO not looking at things through a realistic lens.

The kind of ice cream flavor that I think epitomizes Moore, is as I noted, the kind that should get a health inspector to shut the thing down, and hopefully the good sense of the audience will make sure it is shut down before long. If that sounds unduly harsh, so be it. I have been a fan of Galactica since the beginning and for me the long years of being a fan were not to see its name hijacked by someone who like it or not is no fan of the original and has contempt for the values it stood for and to see that kind of vision replace what Galactica stands for.

[KJ]

Hi fellas, don't mean to interupt the discussion. but i wanted to just say hello to Eric, Thomas, Jewels, BST and Justjack. it's been a while since i've chatted to you guys. i got something to say pretty soon but for now, take care i'll talk to you guys real soon like old times.

Keep up the original Pro Battlestar Galactica comments

KJ

[Dawg]

I think those of us who fall into the category of being fans who did not like the Moore treatment do have a fear that the Moore treatment might become the only Battlestar Galactica the suits recognize, if the show is successful. Therefore, it's only natural to want it to fail - but not so spectacularly that it will put the suits off anything with that marquee.

It is pointless, now, to debate the plusses and minuses of the Moore vision. The mini's made and shown, the series is coming; the first season of 13 shows is being filmed. A decision about a second season will come, probably sometime after the UK showing gives them an idea of how popular it is.

But right now it doesn't matter.

Right now it is important for everyone who is a fan of TOS who wants to see a movie, regardless of how they feel about the Moore series, to make their feelings known. To that end I will reiterate that all fans of TOS should visit the CFF home page, visit the CFF store and buy postcards, and start mailing them and their letters in the coming weeks. Addresses - heck, we've even written letters for you if you can't or don't have time to write them yourselves - are available at the CFF home page.

The CFF store also has other goodies that are kind of cool.

Guys, if you're fans, then direct your energy where it will do the most good. Forget the academic debates we can't resolve, anyway, and focus your energy and stamp money on where it will do the most good.

Remember. Movie.

www.colonialfanforce.org

I am
Dawg

[martok2112]

Originally Posted by Eric Paddon

I am willing to accept your explanation and clarification regarding the "kiddie fare" comment. What that comes back to is the fact that classic Galactica can fit easily into the kind of epic saga it was at its core without upsetting the critical underpinnings that Ronald Moore spat on and threw into the garbage.

Currently, on the fanfic list we are doing a Second Season project and after eight full stories have demonstrated rather well I think how anything that hindered Galactica originally can be easily dispensed with without harming the integrity of the show and its continuity.

But let me return to the point you did not address in my post which is your contention that the existence of the new project does not "supercede" the original, and I think this is missing the point that in order for this thing to succeed it has no other choice but to hope it "supercedes" the original. And that element is why I think I quite properly take a realistic view of the continuation prospects as nil so long as there is such a thing as a Moore show trying to justify its existence by giving those who hated the original in the TV critic landscape a chance to say, "This is the right way to do that dumb concept from the 70s". There is nothing "selling out" about that, it's just taking a look at the situation as it is. And as for Ron Moore contributing to the ad campaign, anyone who thinks that was nothing more than a PR stunt on his part designed to take the heat off (just as his casting of Richard is nothing more than a PR stunt) is IMO not looking at things through a realistic lens.

The kind of ice cream flavor that I think epitomizes Moore, is as I noted, the kind that should get a health inspector to shut the thing down, and hopefully the good sense of the audience will make sure it is shut down before long. If that sounds unduly harsh, so be it. I have been a fan of Galactica since the beginning and for me the long years of being a fan were not to see its name hijacked by someone who like it or not is no fan of the original and has contempt for the values it stood for and to see that kind of vision replace what Galactica stands for.

Well put, Eric. I see your point of view as well.

Hmmm...now about the whole "superceding" thing. Let's look at this from two angles.

1. The business aspect, and overall appeal. Yes, I think ultimately the goal of any updated product is to supercede the original. Now, that I think about it, it would only be natural for Ron Moore to create something that "in his mind" would be better than the original show. It is a matter of fact that noone sets out to do a bad movie. (Look at Star Trek V:The Final Frontier...they didn't set out to make a bad film...it just ended up that way for numerous reasons.) Now, from a business standpoint (i.e., the execs) perhaps it might be naive of me to think that the new show will not supercede any revival effort of the classic...but I guess I am an optimist in that regard. If, in about three years, there is no actual revival of the original BATTLESTAR GALACTICA, then my optimism will have been debunked. But, for now, as with many other fans, I find myself hoping for that joyous day. Hope springs eternal. Hope is the operant word.

2. A matter of the heart. This is up to the individual fan. For the staunch purist (and I use that phrase in only the most honorable and respectable sense), the new BATTLESTAR GALACTICA does not supercede the original BATTLESTAR GALACTICA in their hearts. In my heart, as a fan of both GALACTICAs, the shows are on equal footing for different reasons. I accept both shows as "maternal twins", not "identical twins". Different but same. Same, but different. (I'm not trying to go into Confuscionism or Yoda-ism, or even get Zen about it here. ) For me...no matter what the new show does, it will NEVER supercede the original. Again, it is what we remember in our hearts that gives one or the other strength. I will enjoy the new show, I'm sure, as I enjoyed the mini...but NOT at the expense of that which gave it birth in the first place....the original, the legendary, the Classic (always brings a tear to my eye) BATTLESTAR GALACTICA.

I hope you can see the two different aspects I tried to cover as objectively as possible, Eric. I think you and I have both brought up some good points, and I hope not at the expense of our kinship as Classic Galactica fans, my friend.


You mentioned a fanfic list of your stories. Could you please point it out to me. I would like to check out what you have. And also, if you have not had the chance...please check out my fanfic "Battlestar Galactica: Dark Exodus". I think you will find it to be very true to the integrity of the original series as well.

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[martok2112]

Originally Posted by Dawg

I think those of us who fall into the category of being fans who did not like the Moore treatment do have a fear that the Moore treatment might become the only Battlestar Galactica the suits recognize, if the show is successful. Therefore, it's only natural to want it to fail - but not so spectacularly that it will put the suits off anything with that marquee.

It is pointless, now, to debate the plusses and minuses of the Moore vision. The mini's made and shown, the series is coming; the first season of 13 shows is being filmed. A decision about a second season will come, probably sometime after the UK showing gives them an idea of how popular it is.

But right now it doesn't matter.

Right now it is important for everyone who is a fan of TOS who wants to see a movie, regardless of how they feel about the Moore series, to make their feelings known. To that end I will reiterate that all fans of TOS should visit the CFF home page, visit the CFF store and buy postcards, and start mailing them and their letters in the coming weeks. Addresses - heck, we've even written letters for you if you can't or don't have time to write them yourselves - are available at the CFF home page.

The CFF store also has other goodies that are kind of cool.

Guys, if you're fans, then direct your energy where it will do the most good. Forget the academic debates we can't resolve, anyway, and focus your energy and stamp money on where it will do the most good.

Remember. Movie.

www.colonialfanforce.org

I am
Dawg

Dawg, I am right with you when I say:

SO SAY WE ALL!!!!!!

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[Eric Paddon]

Originally Posted by martok2112

You mentioned a fanfic list of your stories. Could you please point it out to me. I would like to check out what you have. And also, if you have not had the chance...please check out my fanfic "Battlestar Galactica: Dark Exodus". I think you will find it to be very true to the integrity of the original series as well.
Respectfully,
Martok2112

Robert Hanczyk's fanfic site is the archive for our efforts which go back more than a decade.


http://www.galacticafanfic.com/bsg-page.html

The link within for the ongoing "Second Season" project is:

http://www.galacticafanfic.com/stories/season2.html


My previous stories in the site include expanded adaptations of the original series episodes designed to provide seamless continuity and foreshadowing that wasn't always there in the episodes as aired (as opposed to the old novelizations which I felt were too far afield from the spirit of the episodes themselves).

I'll be glad to look at your story too and it would be nice to trade insights on fanfic.

[martok2112]

Originally Posted by Eric Paddon

Robert Hanczyk's fanfic site is the archive for our efforts which go back more than a decade.


http://www.galacticafanfic.com/bsg-page.html

The link within for the ongoing "Second Season" project is:

http://www.galacticafanfic.com/stories/season2.html


My previous stories in the site include expanded adaptations of the original series episodes designed to provide seamless continuity and foreshadowing that wasn't always there in the episodes as aired (as opposed to the old novelizations which I felt were too far afield from the spirit of the episodes themselves).

I'll be glad to look at your story too and it would be nice to trade insights on fanfic.

Excellent. I would love to trade insights as well. "Dark Exodus" is my first successful fanfic. I would love to see your continuity smoothing ideas for Classic BSG.

May the Lords of Kobol guide you all in your efforts for revival of the great Classic BATTLESTAR GALACTICA,
Martok2112

Dark Exodus can be found at the Colonial Library here in the fleets...or at my yahoo group...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BSGCon

Join the group...click on FILES, click on MARTOK2112's STUFF, cllick on Dark Exodus in LARGER TEXT, pick a chapter, and enjoy. I think you will find it a faithful continuation effort.

Respectfully,
Martok2112

[cyland props]

Well I for one have lost some respect for Richard. I haven't even watched the new Galactica simply because it just wasn't the classic old show I like. I just expected Richard to go about his newest show GWM and leave Galactica alone.

I had heard about 4 months ago that GL got the go ahead on his Galactica project. Nothing new though.

As for the books I've read two of them and found them quite close to the original series. What's so different?


I for one thank GOD that the classic series died when it did, before that awful second season that was scripted. Gal80 had it's moments, very few, but it did. Speaking of which, the Dagget squad helmets, the newer small guns and the Languatrons.

[Eric Paddon]

[QUOTE=cyland props]
As for the books I've read two of them and found them quite close to the original series. What's so different?
[QUOTE]


If you mean the novelizations of the episodes, I think there are quite a few differences which ultimately make them very unsatisfying for me, and why I decided to adapt the episodes myself as fanfic.

First off, the Galactica saga is defined by the chronology in which the episodes aired. It's not a series of self-contained stories like Star Trek is. The novelizations fail on this point because they weren't done in the order of the actual episodes which is why we end up with GOIPZ (#2-"Cylon Death Machine") before getting back to LPOTG ("#3="Tombs Of Kobol"), and the presence of Serina alone makes this too jarring.

Second, the novels started with the original premise of the Cylons as living beings and not the series premise of them as robots. While this may have been truer to the original vision, it ultimately robs the entire series of the important subtext of the Cylons as machines created by the Devil that caused the downfall of the original Cylon race, as was brought out in WOTG. And this absence really comes home to roost in the sub-par novelization of WOTG because the entire critical plot point of Baltar recognizing Iblis's voice and the conversation between them in the cell is gone completely.

This segues into the third problem of the novelizations. They totally lack consistency. At the end of the WOTG novelization, Baltar is inexplicably returned by the Ship Of Lights to his baseship. But then suddenly when it came time to do "Baltar's Escape" in novel #9, this had to be changed back to the way it actually unfolded in the series with no explanation. And there are some other bizarre changes from the episodes that don't enhance them such as making the characters of Megan ("The Young Lords") and Robber ("The Long Patrol") female rather than male.

For me, these novelizations might as well be describing a universe as alien as that of Moore's to me. When I read a novelization or a fanfic, I like to envision the scenes and dialogue unfolding as if this is really something the actors themselves would be speaking. The "official" novelizations just didn't cut it with me, so that's why I decided I could go back and do them better, but that any additions/changes etc. would be done without violating the spirit of the episode as broadcast.

So far, I have adapted 12 of the 17 episodes with "The Lost Warrior", "Gun On Ice Planet Zero", "Baltar's Escape", "Experiment In Terra" and "Take The Celestra" the only ones that remain to be done. I'm hoping to finish those in the next few years.