The Battlestar Kobol - Page 2

Sept17th · March 3rd, 2005, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Centurian Draco

...she definately says 'Star Kobol' makes me think 'BattleStar'. Like people say 'Carrier' instead of 'Aircraft-Carrier'.

That has been my take.

TopGun · March 3rd, 2005, 01:56 PM

Colonial Space Nine

Fragmentary · March 3rd, 2005, 05:53 PM

That would make an interesting setting for a Galactica fan film. If there were such things....

Spike The Cylon · March 3rd, 2005, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Fragmentary

That would make an interesting setting for a Galactica fan film. If there were such things....

Hmm, sounds like a project for "Worlds of Galactica"

Maybe it could be a board wide project?

TopGun · March 4th, 2005, 04:09 AM

Who would be a good Commander for the station?

Centurion Draco · March 4th, 2005, 07:05 AM

The Free Cylon Alliance could sell our colonial 'friends' a low mileage Base Star with a slightly faulty hyperdrive that you could use as a perfect orbital station?
After all, it wouldn't need to make jumps if it's permenantly in orbit?
It rotates nicely, makes its own gravity, has more landing bays than you could shake a stick at, and only has 14,000,000,000,000,000 star miles on the clock!
Finance available, full dealer service history.
We'll even include a very retro commanders chair on a pedestal!

Fragmentary · March 4th, 2005, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Centurian Draco

The Free Cylon Alliance could sell our colonial 'friends' a low mileage Base Star with a slightly faulty hyperdrive that you could use as a perfect orbital station?
After all, it wouldn't need to make jumps if it's permenantly in orbit?
It rotates nicely, makes its own gravity, has more landing bays than you could shake a stick at, and only has 14,000,000,000,000,000 star miles on the clock!
Finance available, full dealer service history.
We'll even include a very retro commanders chair on a pedestal!

We'll take two!
Please ship them to Earth. No, I can't give you the address. I'm sure you can find it. Try calling information on Kobol.

TopGun · March 4th, 2005, 11:26 AM

It would probably be an Attack Star

Centurion Draco · March 4th, 2005, 11:48 AM

We only ship to verified Paypal address's OK?

SpyOne · March 12th, 2005, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Centurian Draco

Every time I watch 'Saga' and i hear Serena say:
'So far details of the armistice going on at this moment on the Star Kobol are not coming as hoped For, because of unusual electrical interference...'

I find myself more and more sure that Kobol is in fact another Battlestar.

My $0.02:
Of course she is referring to a ship, but the name of the ship is not Kobol. Try this sentence:'So far details of the armistice going on at this moment on the Galactica are not coming as hoped for, because of unusual electrical interference...'
So the ship's name is the Star Kobol.
Is it a Battlestar? I happen to think so. I have always felt that the Armistice was going to be signed at a particular point in space that had been agreed upon: the Colonies sent their delegation in Battlestars and they were waiting for the Cylon delegation. It seemed clear that the President was still aboard his Battlestar and was waiting to recieve the Cylon delegation.

So. IMO, the Star Kobol is the President's Battlestar.
But wat, wasn't that ship called the Atlantea? Yes, but if getting the name of a ship wrong is the biggest mistake you've found in those 3 hours, you just aren't paying attention.

YMMV.

Raptor · March 13th, 2005, 04:54 AM

Ever since I got the DVDs, and saw that bit with Serina, I've thought she said:

"...on the Star of Kobol..."

It would also make sense that the 'Star of Kobol' would a civ ship, though the Japanse did surender to the USA in 1945 on a US battleship, IIRC. Though that was a military surender, not a peace confrence.

Just this humble newbies opinon.

TopGun · March 14th, 2005, 01:29 AM

Welcome aboard

BS Cerberus · April 5th, 2005, 05:35 PM

This post is of course IMHO

I have always believed that the word 'star' was used instead of 'ship' for large interstellar spacecraft. IE, instead of 'battleship' we have 'battlestar' and instead of 'baseship' we have 'basestar'.

Since we have no DIRECT evidence to go on, let's analyze her statement:

'So far details of the armistice going on at this moment on the Star Kobol are not coming as hoped for, because of unusual electrical interference...'

Her use of the word 'on' clearly indicates either a planet or ship (star). A space station would more likely use the word 'at'.

I would suggest that it is very unlikely that a planet was names 'Star Kobol'.

If you accept that 'star' refers to a interstellar spacecraft, you are left with two possibilities; There is a Battlestar Kobol, or some other type of interstellar spacecraft named Kobol.

Going further, it seems unlikely that they would name anything other than the fleets most prestigious warship 'Kobol'. It doesn't seem to me you would name a civilian ship 'Kobol', that would be similar to naming a luxury liner 'Jesus Christ' (it's a shaky comparison, but you get the idea). I just don't buy it. Kobol was their spiritual and actual homeland and was the embodiment of their religious beliefs.

Despite the fact they are all on the 'Atlantia', and no other mentions of any kind of ship bearing the name Kobol, we are never-the-less left with this analysis.

The only other plausible explanation - and the simplest - is that much like Air Force One is the name of any aircraft with the president in it, similarly, 'Star Kobol' could be the name of any ship with the president in it.

Akums Razor tells me it is the second one.

Read the stament again with the Air Force One analogy:

'So far details of the armistice going on at this moment on Air Force One are not coming as hoped for, because of unusual electrical interference...'

Seems likely to me.

warhammerdriver · May 3rd, 2005, 06:47 PM

Is the DVD close captioned? That would probably be the best way to get what Serina actually says.

I doubt very seriously that a reporter for a Colonies wide network would shorten Battlestar to just 'Star. I think that there is another ship--most probably a Colonial Government vessel--named either the Star Kobol or Star of Kobol being mentioned.

I don't think the Colonial military would change the name of a whole Battlestar when the President is aboard. Shuttles, probably. Inter-colonial craft, sure. Entire Battlestar--nah.

TopGun · May 4th, 2005, 02:28 AM

interesting point there Cerberus

justjackrandom · May 4th, 2005, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BS Cerberus

Seems likely to me.

What a great concept!

--JJR

Damocles · May 4th, 2005, 07:35 AM

Take the words STAR KOBOL.

Apply to a show written by Glen Larsen and Donald Belisario,(Donald who had military(naval/marine) experience.

http://www.shawsavillships.co.uk/white.htm

In common merchanter parlance, a ship could be referred to as;

White Star Arabic much as one might refer to an American oil tanker owned by Exxon as the Exxon Valdez.

Best guess for Star Kobol then is the read "Star Kobol": Star being the shipping company and the word Kobol being the name of the merchant ship(type unknown.).

Two EA credits worth.

Senmut · May 28th, 2005, 12:34 AM

I saw it as some sort of Sapce Station, marking the Colonial/Cylon frontier.

Qeutzal · January 3rd, 2006, 12:33 PM

I would also like to put in my two cubits in of this discussion. I believe that the Star Kobal was not a battlestar or any kind of military ship but a diplomatic ship of the colonial government. I am pretty sure many or all poloticians would rather take credit in ending the war than have the military take credit. As for the name Star Kobal, it is short for Star of Kobal. I also believe that she is equivelent to Airforce One. From Sarina's news report, the Star Kobal was sent ahead of the the peace delegation. As you remember, the Atlantia, Galactica, and the other battlestars were on there way to rondevou with the Star Kobal. That is why we see President Adar on the Atlantia.

I am also pretty sure that the Star Kobal was the first ship distroyed on that fateful day.

Westy · January 3rd, 2006, 03:52 PM

Star Kolbol was the Quarum of the 12's ceremonial ship...the peace accords were to be officially signed on it. She was not a Battlestar. We hashed this point out a few times over the years...in SOASW, you got to see the interior of it. That was where Adar said "I'd like to raise my chalice to you....." etc. There were only 5 Battlestars at Cimtar and one was not Star Kobol.

The Battlestars at Cimtar were: Atlantia, Galactica, Acropolis, Columbia and Pacifica (some people put the Solaria in that list and remove the Pacifica). Also, a ship named Triton was there, but she was a frigate or an escort of some sort which accompanied Pacifica...evidently.

We saw the Atlantia blow up, we say Galactica...obvisouly...we heard in the background dialog on Galactica's bridge about Acropolis and Pacifica (and her destroyer escort Triton) and in GOIPZ we heard about Columbia being destroyed at the ambush.

A plausible theory for Solaria was that she was escorting the Star Kobol which was some distance ahead of the fleet and presumbly destroyed.

Centurion Draco · January 3rd, 2006, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Westy

Star Kolbol was the Quarum of the 12's ceremonial ship...the peace accords were to be officially signed on it. She was not a Battlestar. We hashed this point out a few times over the years...in SOASW, you got to see the interior of it. That was where Adar said "I'd like to raise my chalice to you....." etc. There were only 5 Battlestars at Cimtar and one was not Star Kobol.

The Battlestars at Cimtar were: Atlantia, Galactica, Acropolis, Columbia and Pacifica (some people put the Solaria in that list and remove the Pacifica). Also, a ship named Triton was there, but she was a frigate or an escort of some sort which accompanied Pacifica...evidently.

We saw the Atlantia blow up, we say Galactica...obvisouly...we heard in the background dialog on Galactica's bridge about Acropolis and Pacifica (and her destroyer escort Triton) and in GOIPZ we heard about Columbia being destroyed at the ambush.

A plausible theory for Solaria was that she was escorting the Star Kobol which was some distance ahead of the fleet and presumbly destroyed.

The Quorum's ship, is the President's ship. Atlantia. Thats why, when the Cylons attack and Adar is called to the bridge, Baltar is initially still with him wispering lies in his ear.
Edit: In fact, the preceeding shot is the 'now on the Atlantia' shot of the zoom to the name on the hanger bay pod.

BST · January 3rd, 2006, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor

Ever since I got the DVDs, and saw that bit with Serina, I've thought she said:

"...on the Star of Kobol..."

It would also make sense that the 'Star of Kobol' would a civ ship, though the Japanse did surender to the USA in 1945 on a US battleship, IIRC. Though that was a military surender, not a peace confrence.

Just this humble newbies opinon.

Raptor,

You are correct about the "Japanese surrender to the USA on a US battleship". That battleship was the USS Missouri.

http://www.hnsa.org/ships/missouri.htm