Battlestar insignia

[Gemini1999]

Originally Posted by cyland props

Just kinda wanted to drop by and mention that I believe that some information was taken from:

http://p082.ezboard.com/fpropreplica...picID=84.topic

http://p082.ezboard.com/fpropreplica...tart=1&stop=20

Where we have been discussing this.

Cyland Props -

As one of the moderators for Colonial Fleets, I would like to welcome you to our happy little piece of the galaxy. We would appreciate your expertise in the way of props & costumes - it seems that you've got your stuff together! Thanks for the links to your prop forum - it seems like there are a lot of creative-minded people that hang out there.

Please feel free to take a look around the site and check things out. I also hope that you take the time to participate in some of the discussion threads as well. If there's anything I can do, just let myself, or one of the other mods know and we will do our best.

I say again, Welcome to Fleets!

Best regards,
Bryan

[BST]

Cyland Props,

Welcome to Colonial Fleets! As Gemini1999 mentioned, your expertise and insight regarding the uniforms, medallions, patches, etc, would be most appreciated. A discussion topic which may interest you can be found here:

Colonial Patch - The Ancient Connection

Although, I'm not incredibly versed on these aspects of the show, I enjoy reading and learning about the "history" of many of the items from the show.

Again,

Welcome to the Fleets!

BST

[shiningstar]

Originally Posted by cyland props

Just kinda wanted to drop by and mention that I believe that some information was taken from:

http://p082.ezboard.com/fpropreplica...picID=84.topic

http://p082.ezboard.com/fpropreplica...tart=1&stop=20

Where we have been discussing this.

welcome to the family Cyland props

[shiningstar]

Wow I love these patches and pics ......THANK YOU Everyone for Posting it.

[thomas7g]

Originally Posted by cyland props

Just kinda wanted to drop by and mention that I believe that some information was taken from:

http://p082.ezboard.com/fpropreplica...picID=84.topic

http://p082.ezboard.com/fpropreplica...tart=1&stop=20

Where we have been discussing this.

Welcome Cyland!

Thank you so much for sharing that!!!

[cyland props]

To tell you the truth I don't believe they put that much thought into the patches, they were looking for a non-discript design and probably just hit the local Army/Navy store. Now the uniforms do kind of look like those used by the Army Airforce during WWII. The brown bomber style jacket with tan colored tunic and slacks. Of couse they did stylize them to look eygptian.

[Gemini1999]

Originally Posted by cyland props

To tell you the truth I don't believe they put that much thought into the patches, they were looking for a non-discript design and probably just hit the local Army/Navy store.

CP -

I remember when BSG was still airing that we used to comb the Army/Navy surplus stores for the insignias - they were pretty easy to find, but the folks that worked there looked pretty puzzled given our age at the time (about 18-19)!

The metallic braids for the uniforms were easy to find in the fabric stores as well - Of course, if you look these days, you wouldn't have any luck.

Best,
Bryan

[Charybdis]

Man, you know I have had that Encylopedia Galactica since it was first released back in early 1979 and I have never made the connection with that "Boray" and the Iblis devil figure!!!!

Seems like we are still learning things about this great show and that is the great part about it. No matter how old it is, you still get great finds from it and it is still a true joy to watch it...

[KJ]

Hope you don't mind if i add my two cents to this great discussion.

I too, made a connection to the Boray and Iblis thing. You'll notice the Boray wrist band is also worn by Count Iblis. Black with a gold strip down it. Guess larson reused his props well but, it seems he did so quite carefully.

Also, if 137th Gebiry could confirm this. Just before the "Grog" scene in the pilot there is a shot of colonials at the casino gambling, there is a right shot of a warrior leaning over, as they do you can see he/she with a Atlantia insignia on their shoulder. (perhaps some 'Atlantia' survivor maybe)

Also aren't the Triton, Acropolis and Solaria Battlestar insignia's in the "Colonial Warriror's Journal" although that book too, is full of errors. The designs probably aren't far off from what existed at one point.

All i'm hoping to see, the sudden release of the helmet and insignia designs for the Pacifica, Prometheus, Cerberus, Bellerophon, Acropolis and Solaria which were said to be done by the costume department during the series run, at one time. If they were being done surely some pictures were taken?

Here's hoping they exist somewhere.

KJ

[KJ]

Also, if they did a Red and Blue squadron insignia for the Colonial Warrior jackets and bridge uniforms. Did they do one for Green and Yellow Squadron that apollo mentioned?

Or was that business about green and yellow squadrons, just dialogue Apollo said to go along with Starbuck's funny line about Purple and Orange squadrons moments later. Years ago many of us thought all the Galactica shoulder patches were all 'gold and black', then, news came of the 'Red and Black' too.

KJ

[137th Gebirg]

Originally Posted by Lord Kingjason

Hope you don't mind if i add my two cents to this great discussion.

I too, made a connection to the Boray and Iblis thing. You'll notice the Boray wrist band is also worn by Count Iblis. Black with a gold strip down it. Guess larson reused his props well but, it seems he did so quite carefully.

Also, if 137th Gebiry could confirm this. Just before the "Grog" scene in the pilot there is a shot of colonials at the casino gambling, there is a right shot of a warrior leaning over, as they do you can see he/she with a Atlantia insignia on their shoulder. (perhaps some 'Atlantia' survivor maybe)

Hello, KJ. Can't remember off the top of my head, but certainly worth researching. I'll pop my DVD's in and see if I can find the scene you are referring to. I might be able to get a more solid screen cap of the patch than I previously posted.

Originally Posted by Lord Kingjason

Also aren't the Triton, Acropolis and Solaria Battlestar insignia's in the "Colonial Warriror's Journal" although that book too, is full of errors. The designs probably aren't far off from what existed at one point.

All i'm hoping to see, the sudden release of the helmet and insignia designs for the Pacifica, Prometheus, Cerberus, Bellerophon, Acropolis and Solaria which were said to be done by the costume department during the series run, at one time. If they were being done surely some pictures were taken?

Here's hoping they exist somewhere.

KJ

As far as I could tell, the Acropolis' patch is the same as Martin's (from the Lost Warrior episode w/ "Red Eye"). The props dept. mentioned "a temple with a sword going through it" which, in reality, is the number eight with a sword (originally, Army 18th Medical Command):



Other than this one, only the Galactica, Pegasus and, from my research, the Atlantia had patches. The pics that appear in the Colonial Warrior's Tech Manual are real patches that I've seen in my books but totally bogus in the Galactican universe without any screen time to prove their authenticity, unless someone has screen caps to the contrary. More on this later on...

[137th Gebirg]

Originally Posted by Lord Kingjason

Also, if they did a Red and Blue squadron insignia for the Colonial Warrior jackets and bridge uniforms. Did they do one for Green and Yellow Squadron that apollo mentioned?

Or was that business about green and yellow squadrons, just dialogue Apollo said to go along with Starbuck's funny line about Purple and Orange squadrons moments later. Years ago many of us thought all the Galactica shoulder patches were all 'gold and black', then, news came of the 'Red and Black' too.

KJ

Heh...well, yes and no. Patches for these squadrons never existed in the original because they were just that - fake squadrons that Apollo & Starbuck made up when they were charging the base star at the end of SoaSW. HOWEVER: in the wake of Mr. Hatch's revival efforts and his trailer which I have not yet seen , patches of additional colors were created:


(Pic from BSGTek's costume site)

...and of course the white patch for the ship of lights (don't have that pic, but everyone's seen it)

Hope that clears it up...

[KJ]

Thanks for the picture. I hope the other info fandom's heard about also comes forth somehow.

I'd like to see the prop Colonial Warrior Viper helmet designs for the "Cerberus", "Prometheus", "Solaria" and other Battlestar ships, the costume department were working on.

According to Battlestarzone.com and Kobol these were at one time or another done at a point. Imagine seeing The Viper pilot helmets with a Hand holding a Burning Torch, A Large Golden Sun or a Three headed Wolf/ Lupus or Dog/Daggit their Battlestar insignia's on their Vipers as they flew into battle. or something towards that end.

The series might have been rushed. But the pilot, LPOTG and GOIPZ had alot of thought put into them. There was confusion about the ship names, and fandom still isn't too sure about the Battlestar Insignias. (but it makes for great discussions) But the production "had" everything down before ABC and co got involved and messed things up and caused distractions.

I believe the other Battlestars (insignia's/ patches/ rank, ship captains, Commanders etc) played some vital plot point before and after the holocaust. why else go through the trouble of creating such detailed background information/stories etc. if none of it, was seen in the foreground. Stevens, Larson and Colla must have planned out a REAL backstory before things, ideas and concepts were dropped but still remained somehow into the Galactica we know of today.

The series was about the Galactica, but i'm sure the other things seen in the background were meant to play a larger role before the other Battlestars, bit the dust. Lets remember Galactica, filmed up to 6 hours of footage originally. surely it wasn't all just pre-production stuff with things like "Lyra" name instead of Serina and Starbuck's bare-chested roll on the floor with Cassiopea.

I'm sure the names of the other ships, characters clothing, uniforms, flags and whatnot all had a 'place' in the backstory of the other main characters. Even the novels touch upon this. (whether or not they came out during after the series run)


*- B:Cerberus. Adama and Cain once served a tour of duty on. mentioned in "War of the Gods" novel and actually seen in Maximum Press comics, 'Baptism of fire story'

*- B:Bellerophon. Colonel Tigh served on the Bellerophon before the Galactica!

*- B:Pacifica. Described in great detail by Adama during the peace conference. But according to the 'Saga Of A Star World' novel, was already destroyed? (Destroyed off screen at Cimtar)

* - B:Solaria. According to the SOASW novel, was the last Battlestar destroyed by the Cylons. It's destruction left Starbuck, Boomer, Jolly and Greenbean going to refueling stations to order to catch the Galactica which left the battle to go to Caprica.

* - B:Columbia. According to Cylon Command Centurion Vulpa, was destroyed at the peace conference. (perhaps it was off screen?)

* - B:Prometheus. According to battlestarzone.com it was another lost Battlestar, meant to meet up with the Galactica during to second season?! Thats unknown, or where it got such info. But it's name did appear in the Galactica scrap book of the late 80's.

* - B:Rykon. Commanded by Commander Kronus. In a battle against Cylons at Cosmora Archipeligo, Kronus led colonial forces against hordes of Cylons. although injured. Led the remaining forces onto victory and destroyed 3 Cylon Basestars. presumably at the cost of the Rykon herself.

*- B: Atlantia. Former fleet flagship. Colonial President Adar, known to be onboard during her destruction at the Battle of Cimtar. Little else is known.

* - B: Acropolis. One of the last battlestars destroyed. requests shuttle to come to her aid, as she burns in space....! (destroyed off screen at cimtar)

* - B: Triton. Battlestar, transmissions of her being attacked overheard at the battle of Cimtar (destroyed off screen)

Other names are Argo, Poseidon and Olympia.

They must have had some importance or place before the holocaust. As their patches, flags, collar pins, uniform insignias all come to light, prehaps we'll all gain more information on them as fans dig for more clues.


KJ

[137th Gebirg]

^^^ Don't forget some of the variants on the "Rykon" name:

• Rykon
• Rycon
• Ricon

I've seen all three of these and I don't think anyone really knows unless, of course, the script is available with the name mentioned in it.