Viper Comparison Chart - Page 2

VenomHUN · April 17th, 2006, 01:08 PM

hmm i might miss the point, but is there an actual Scarlet int he series???

Darrell Lawrence · April 17th, 2006, 06:19 PM

April 21st, 2006, 12:53 PM

Thank you for this chart and I hope you don't mind that I posted it one other forum, gave the credit to you.

EDIT: Heh, you don't have to worry about me selling anything, Warrior. I'm not much of salesman.

Darrell Lawrence · April 21st, 2006, 01:00 PM

I don't mind if it's posted elsewhere, just as long as it's not SOLD, ie used to make money, in any form

Smallworld · May 18th, 2006, 08:50 AM

Great work, thanks for sharing.

dilbertman · May 18th, 2006, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymar3d

I have a scarlett viper built by James Betteridge, and another viper built by Jim Brown.

I'll see if I can dig them up and render at that same angle, and you can add them to the chart.

They were used in "Battlestar Galactica: The Second Coming."

Way cool!

Ken

Ken

Any updates on this?

Jim

innovari · May 18th, 2006, 02:36 PM

I find on my hard disk this viper mesh. I dont remember when and where I find it, but I've download it somewere years ago.
It is an .OBJ file complete with all the textures. It have also the internal display and the joystick. The models seems to be a low/med resolution model, perhaps for some kind of game (a flight/combat simulator? A "total conversion" MOD?).
Have you ever seen this mesh?
It is strange because it have the front of the engines rounded.
Here is a quick render in Bryce. If you want I can do a render at the same angle of the other Vipers on your Comparison Chart with a white background.
Just tell me

Darrell Lawrence · May 23rd, 2006, 11:44 PM

...hmmm I don't recognize that model.

Not only are the engine fronts wrong, but so is the cockpit....

innovari · May 24th, 2006, 12:39 AM

We could say that this Viper could be a pre-mass production prototype (fan design).
Do you agree?

Smallworld · May 24th, 2006, 05:14 AM

Pre-production model sounds good.

spcglider · May 24th, 2006, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warrior

...hmmm I don't recognize that model.

Not only are the engine fronts wrong, but so is the cockpit....

Warrior, As compared to what? I think you are assuming intent that doesn't exist.

It could be the original mesh-er was not trying to absolutely replicate the Classic Viper. At least that's not how it appears. There are far too many concious deviations from the original design (that is easily researched, referenced and replicated).

Either they were purposely doing something different, or they were an only barely competent CGI modeler. The latter doesn't seem to be the case as most everything else is well done. Not superb, but well done.

We are rapidly approaching a time when the Colonial Viper will wrest the title of "Most Riffed-On Design" cleanly away from the previous record holder: Iron Man's Armor.

-Gordon

Darrell Lawrence · May 24th, 2006, 02:29 PM

Compared to what? The Viper of course

There is nothing there suggesting what the modeler intended.

My point about certain things being incorrect on the model are things I'd recognize about that model *if* I knew who did it.

spcglider · May 24th, 2006, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warrior

Compared to what? The Viper of course

There is nothing there suggesting what the modeler intended.

My point about certain things being incorrect on the model are things I'd recognize about that model *if* I knew who did it.

Respectfully, you are suggesting that the modeler intended to create "The Viper".

If they did, then individual elements of this model could be considered "wrong".

Otherwise, if they weren't trying to replicate the Classic Viper, there couldn't be anything incorrect about it because the creator of the model would be the sole arbiter of "wrong" and "right" in the design.

Until the artist responsible comes forth and claims the work and explains the design choices and intent, I don't think we can technically call any part of it "wrong".

So far, all we know is that it is "different".

Sorry if I'm harping on language... no intent to offend.

-Gordon

spcglider · May 24th, 2006, 03:06 PM

And by different I mean that, aside from your mentions, the engine inset detail, the main fuselage shape, the panel lines, the in-between engine details, the laser cannons, and the side fuselage inset details are all different than the classic Viper.

So either the artist was horribly under-researched or he/she was making a concious decision to make it unlike the original.

-G

Darrell Lawrence · May 24th, 2006, 06:12 PM

I'm gonna kick you, because you're trying to nitpic the wrong things

I said my POINT was there are recognizable things on that mesh to recall who made it *if* I knew in the first place.

A prime example would be my CObra. It has a specific look to it, so anyone who knows I made it would reconize it immediatly.

I am saying the same thing about that mesh above- It has a particular look to it for it to be recognizable to anyone who knew who the owner was in the first place.

So without further ado....

*kick*

spcglider · May 25th, 2006, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warrior

I'm gonna kick you, because you're trying to nitpic the wrong things

I said my POINT was there are recognizable things on that mesh to recall who made it *if* I knew in the first place.

A prime example would be my CObra. It has a specific look to it, so anyone who knows I made it would reconize it immediatly.

I am saying the same thing about that mesh above- It has a particular look to it for it to be recognizable to anyone who knew who the owner was in the first place.

So without further ado....

*kick*

I accept your kick only because I enjoy it.

That'll be $20.00... office rates, you know.

But really, I didn't get that intent from your post. And honestly, I still don't understand what you mean.

Inorance is bliss.

-G

Darrell Lawrence · May 25th, 2006, 06:35 PM

Somebody made a mug. I know who made this particular mug. It has incorrect or wrong stuff on the mug, but I still know who made it because of those things wrong with it.

Now go nitpic "wrong" and "incorrect" to your hearts content, but the point is whether or not I recognize the mug or not based on what's wrong with it.

spcglider · May 26th, 2006, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warrior

...hmmm I don't recognize that model.

Not only are the engine fronts wrong, but so is the cockpit....

This is what I was referencing when I made my comment.

Nothing in there about wanting to know who made it, where it came from, what the modeler's intent with the design was. Just a proclamation that the work was "wrong". No qualifiers.

I can understand that what you wrote and what you meant were not the same thing. But even when you explained your intent, I still didn't get that from the post.

Lets put this to bed and just say that I misunderstood.

-Gordon

Darrell Lawrence · May 26th, 2006, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spcglider

This is what I was referencing when I made my comment.

Nothing in there about wanting to know who made it, where it came from, what the modeler's intent with the design was. Just a proclamation that the work was "wrong". No qualifiers.

-Gordon

Nothing in where about wanting to know who made it?

I answered this post:

Quote:

Originally Posted by innovari

I find on my hard disk this viper mesh. I dont remember when and where I find it, but I've download it somewere years ago.
It is an .OBJ file complete with all the textures. It have also the internal display and the joystick. The models seems to be a low/med resolution model, perhaps for some kind of game (a flight/combat simulator? A "total conversion" MOD?).
Have you ever seen this mesh?

Plenty in there about wanting to know who made it.

spcglider · May 26th, 2006, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warrior

Nothing in where about wanting to know who made it?

I answered this post:

Plenty in there about wanting to know who made it.

Okay, we're going to have to agree to dis-agree. Respectfully, I'm not understanding your point here at all. I don't think I'm being myopic about the language... I re-read the entire thread and don't find anything that you posted asking who created the mesh nor even inferring the desire to know. You mentioned not recognizing the mesh, but I still find no question from you or innovari about who created it. Just that it was an old mesh found buried in a hard drive.

You may feel free to refer to me as "dense as a log". I just don't see it.

-Gordon

Darrell Lawrence · May 26th, 2006, 12:01 PM

You're right. You totally missed it.

He asked if I recognized it. I said I didn't.

I also explained in more detail that I would remember/recognize a model like that given its details and knowing who made it.

It's my more detailed answer portion you're harping needlessly about.

spcglider · May 26th, 2006, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warrior

You're right. You totally missed it.

He asked if I recognized it. I said I didn't.

I also explained in more detail that I would remember/recognize a model like that given its details and knowing who made it.

It's my more detailed answer portion you're harping needlessly about.

No. I'm not. I have no issue with you not recognizing that mesh. I'm harping about the fact that you saw something and declared it was "wrong" without knowing anything about it.

Its really your definition of "wrong" that I have issue with. Your use of the language. Not your inability to identify the maker. THAT is MY point.

Obviously we aren't talking about the same thing and are unable to agree to dis-agree over our points, so let us please walk away from the moot argument.

-Gordon

nguya · May 28th, 2006, 01:15 AM

Nice job, true what oldwardaggit said:

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldwardaggit

All those vipers are cool but then again, they are all based on the original so that's why and Galactica still holds the record in cool looking fighters as far as I'm concerned.

OWD

Sometimes you just can't beat original ideas!