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Old January 9th, 2006, 09:46 AM   #241
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And Gordon... you figured out the water heater secret! Oh no! Just kidding, but what is an X-wing cannon?

In Star Wars (The original...not that junk George's been pushing out his butt lately), the cannons mounted on the tips of the wings of the X-wing fighters have alot, stylistically, similar to these new Desanto versions.

I cannot stop it. My brain WILL draw similarities between objects. Just a programming fault. Pay it no mind.

Now...to wade into the "rude conversation" thread.

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All molds are made for the day, and my happy A%$ is going to da bed!
I've had it! Later Dilbertman!
By the way, my ex- said shes sorry that she missed your call!!! DOH!
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When can we get to see new pic's of your updates?

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When can we get to see new pic's of your updates?

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Holy FRACK
I'm takin' da night off! You
And I'll post tomorrow. For real! I need a night away from this, I grow weary.
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Old January 9th, 2006, 06:36 PM   #244
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I'm takin' da night off! You
And I'll post tomorrow. For real! I need a night away from this, I grow weary.
That cool. Just asking. Here have a on me.

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Old January 9th, 2006, 06:41 PM   #245
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Look what I truned down so I can send all my money your way. Hope your happy.

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Look what I truned down so I can send all my money your way. Hope your happy.

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HA! Don't worry, I'll make you one out of AVES epoxy sculpt!!
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Hey Dilbertman!
I'll have some pics up tomorrow, during the day. I'm just taking a breather from this tonight, I've been at it for 7 days a week since I re-started this project. And having to redo things since DeSanto got involved. And with the raider project he's helping with, it's going to be on the tail of this viper. And that means even more hours and days and hopefully, not too many weeks.
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I'll have some pics up tomorrow, during the day. I'm just taking a breather from this tonight, I've been at it for 7 days a week since I re-started this project. And having to redo things since DeSanto got involved. And with the raider project he's helping with, it's going to be on the tail of this viper. And that means even more hours and days and hopefully, not too many weeks.
OK, I'll give you tonight off, but don't do it all the time. BTW, thanks about the car. Any ETA on when you may start posting images of the Raider?

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I'll be starting that thread real soon. I think this is the longest thread in this section of the Colonial Fleets!
Gonna have to start a new one for that~!
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I'll be starting that thread real soon. I think this is the longest thread in this section of the Colonial Fleets!
Gonna have to start a new one for that~!
Always have to get the last word in don't you.

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I'm out of here. See you tomorrow.

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YUP!!!! And I still DID!! AHHH!
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Actually...I'm going ahead and starting the 1st build-up tomorrow. I'll post some pics of casted parts, but for the most part I'll be busy with that tomorrow.
I've got a little tiny edge to trim from the base mold, but other than that we ran out of molding silicone, and ordered more today, so that means that the right wing is holding for more mold material. But, I can complete the pilot, and the cockpit and seat, and have them ready when the materials arrive.
And go forward and begin my build-up minus the right wing!
It'll be somethng to show. And everyone can see what the finished viper will look like!
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Old January 10th, 2006, 08:35 AM   #254
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NEW PICS TODAY
Here's the 1st casting of the base. It has just minor spots along the top edge that need to be smoothed, but NO BUBBLES! Once that edge is rounded smooth with a small file or sand paper it's great! More to come today!
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NEW PHOTO UPDATE!!!!

Here is the first pic of our canopy casting. Some have a bubble or 2, but each seems to be getting better with each technique we try. Any bubbles will be corrected and filled before we send these out! Terri and I do believe in attempting to fix problems in our work. The windows have been trimmed out, and I'll tell you all now that they are so thin that a butter knife could remove them, very easy to do without mistakes. Like I made trimming this out, I'm still bleeding! X-acto's are KILLER!

The next pic shows that I'm just begining to test fit the parts for the fuselage to the intakes, a little putty required! And getting ready to do the 1st build-up for show here. Also test fitting the canopy, and fixture behind canopy which needs only a slight curve filed to fit the curve of the fuselage. The canopy itself seems to fall into place with hardly a problem.




More pics of parts being fitted and build-up soon. Is that enough for you for now Dilbertman??
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Looking good, looking real good!!!!
Did you do any thrust nozzels yet?
Pilot coming soon I hope.

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Here is the first pic of our canopy casting. Some have a bubble or 2, but each seems to be getting better with each technique we try. Any bubbles will be corrected and filled before we send these out! Terri and I do believe in attempting to fix problems in our work. The windows have been trimmed out, and I'll tell you all now that they are so thin that a butter knife could remove them, very easy to do without mistakes. Like I made trimming this out, I'm still bleeding! X-acto's are KILLER!

The next pic shows that I'm just begining to test fit the parts for the fuselage to the intakes, a little putty required! And getting ready to do the 1st build-up for show here. Also test fitting the canopy, and fixture behind canopy which needs only a slight curve filed to fit the curve of the fuselage. The canopy itself seems to fall into place with hardly a problem.




More pics of parts being fitted and build-up soon. Is that enough for you for now Dilbertman??
It'll do for now. Now start on my car!

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NEW PROGRESS PICS!!

Here are new pics of the 1st build-up. In these pics parts are being dry fit, drill points located, amd making sure that all is going to come together with minor effort. Am going to bed now...it is 5:11 a.m. here and I've been working on this since 12:00 p.m. yesterday!
I'll explain the pics and building advice as well as let all know what to expect from this model. When I wake up!














Goodnight or morning, what ever. Bye!
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to cool, just to cool.
go sleep now and we'll hear from you later.
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I have posted this elsewhere, but HERE seems to be a good place as well.

For those of you who are involved in casting urethane, I am about to pass on some IMPORTANT INFORMATION.

PLEASE KEEP READING.

Here's the low-down: Urethane, when it cures, releases Isocyanate gasses. Sound familiar? That's because the root word is Cyanaide... a poison.

Isocyanates are long-term poisons that build up in your system. Your body will try very hard to get rid of them, but they don't like to go easily. Exposure to them (even regulated exposure) wil eventually cause them to build up in your body and make you ill.

The amount that it takes varies from person to person, and the time it takes to build up in your body varies as well. But over time, you will develop a sensitivity to them.

Typical symptoms include: shortness of breath (induced athsma), skin rashes, itching, throat irritation, dizziness, and oddly enough, back pain. Other, less obvious effects are irritability, short temper, and even paranoia.

But like I mentioned, this all varies from person to person.

So, how to avoid all this? Easy:

1) get yourself a NIOSH approved filter mask with the biggest, most ass-kicking filter cartridges you can buy. Make sure your catridges are the highest rated ones you can get. They won't completely protect you, but they will help limit the exposure through your lungs.

2) set up your workspace so that you are cross-ventilating to the OUTDOORS. This means you need to have a CONSTANT flow of air running through your space. Clean air must enter at one end and fume-y air must be vented out the other end. Be sure you don't vent right into an area that supplies air to another house or building. Your fumes will just get sucked up and deposited into their space.

3) always wear latex (or if you're allegic to latex) nitrile gloves when handling the urethane components or the mixed combo. Not only can Isocyanates enter your body through the lungs as fumes, but they also affect you through the skin. Be sure to get yourself some of those disposable tyvec jumpsuits they use when they paint cars. It'll keep you from wrecking your clothing.

4) Use and Do all the stuff above.

5) If you feel like you've started to show any of the signs of overexposure, you need to get away from the stuff. Take a break from it for at least two weeks. In the mean time, you can exercise and pump your lungs good and hard...run, bike, whatever. Drink ALOT of water. It helps your body get rid of the toxins. And best of all, get thee to a sauna. Especially after you workout. A sauna will force you to sweat alot and encourage your body to expell the toxins that way.

Once again, THIS IS NOT A JOKE.

And note: BECAUSE YOU DO NOT FEEL THESE EFFECTS IMMEDIATELY DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE NOT DAMAGING YOUR BODY! Like I said, this stuff builds up over time and exposure and WILL eventually cause you problems. Put away your ego and stop thinking you're invulnerable.

I deal with the effects of overexposure on a dialy basis... I have been using the material long enough that I may never actually expell all of the toxins from my body.

I have been so overexposed that when I use urethanes, I must completely isolate myself from direct contact or I WILL end up in the hospital. The way I do this is to follow the rules above. TO THE LETTER.

If you'd like to hear explicit details of overexposure, I will be happy to scare the crap out of you with tales of my own and others experiences.

Rant ends.

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Default Thanks Gordon for Helping!!

I've been up and at it since 10 this morning. I've disassembled the viper components and begun sanding the primer. Then I re-assembled the main body section and engines, and am about to begin the painting and detailing for the build-up pics. Here goes!
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You incredible TEASE!

So you're going to start showing us pics of a finished version before you've gotten all the parts molded?

TEASE!! TEASE!!!! TEASE!!!!!

Oh well. Gimme yer best shot. lol

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WOW! Looks great!

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Yeah, I gotta say Michael, that you are doing a pretty incredible job on this thing. As a 20+ year model builder I must extend kudos in your direction.

The next question is, what are you ON? Whatever it is, I want some. I haven't been able to summon that kind of enthusiasm since I was in my 20s! And I'm NOT talking VIAGRA enthusiasm here.

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Thanks Charlie! I know YOU!! Just got your e-mail and these are fantastic sculpts!!! I'll chat with you soon.
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So you're going to start showing us pics of a finished version before you've gotten all the parts molded?

TEASE!! TEASE!!!! TEASE!!!!!

Oh well. Gimme yer best shot. lol

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Am sitting here in the art studio, and at the coputer while sanding down the primer on this bird.
And well, all of the parts are there except the cannons, right wing, and thruster nozzles. So I can begin a build-up, and throw the rest in with the cockpit and pilot much later. But it can be built and detaild, then the rest added last.
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Yeah, I gotta say Michael, that you are doing a pretty incredible job on this thing. As a 20+ year model builder I must extend kudos in your direction.

The next question is, what are you ON? Whatever it is, I want some. I haven't been able to summon that kind of enthusiasm since I was in my 20s! And I'm NOT talking VIAGRA enthusiasm here.

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THANK YOU GORDON!!! That means something coming from a real pro with your experience!
Although, this model will require a good eye for making sure the body connection points are all level and proper. It will not be as easy as the Jesse Myers viper, but when done with care, it looks great even primed beside of TOS!
I'll definately continue pointing out the rough spots some will encounter upon build-up. Don't say I did'nt state these things as (matter of fact) here first. Everyone, keep your reviews to yourself. I've been an artist for over 20 years, and no ones critisisms can come close to affecting me like my own! Ask Terri, I'm real serious about being a perfectionist with my art. And model building as well. This is a model, a work of creativity, it will not fall together and fit perfectly, but I'll make damn sure that every casting, will be filled and sanded and whatever it takes to make ease of assembly much better. In some cases I've decided that if necessary, I'll do a pre-build, and refine the cast parts before shipment.
And Gordon, I can't begin to explain "what" I'm on!
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Talk to you soon.
Aww... now you're just rubbin' my rhubarb!



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NEW BUILD-UP PICS!!

Here are pics after priming in standard grey, and then 2 coats of primer white. These were taken after primer had been wet sanded and primed again. Am about to go into actual painting and detailing of panel lines and the numerous tonal variations.




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Default Painting the Mk.IV Viper

NEW PICS!!!
Okay, painting this bird. Here goes.
The primers were basic, few coats of standard grey, sand, prime, sand and you know the routine. Then I did a light priming with white. The first actual paint coat is model master (acryl) grey primer #4690 with green zinc chromate #4852 added to the grey to give it a nice greenish tint, but don't over do it. It should not be more green than grey. I'd say about 20% green. This will really enhance the detail and depth of the model when complete.



More pics shortly, with painting instructions to make this fighter as authentic as it would (will) be!
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