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Old February 12th, 2011, 09:40 AM   #61
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yeah I know the scene you mean .. that why I tried these shots to see how they would look.

that is with the Galactica at 6080ft .
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There will be more coming soon.

I am working on a few things that once complete I will be focusing on some Galactica project.
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Thanks for the last set of renders. Those are very helpful to me.
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Your welcome

need any-more just ask and I will do my best ..

I am going to see if I can scale the full model to 2 miles and see.
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Please include an Eastern Alliance destroyer, that would be very important to my scaling of everything. The few shots of the destroyer parked inside the landing bay confuses the hell out of me. Everything was okay until the episode where some knuckle-head decided to cram a destroyer inside the landing bay!
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is there a conversion of the Eastern Alliance destroyer to lightwave.

I know there is one in Max 3.1 in the downloads, but I cannot use it.

I would have thought (and correct me here) that it would be about 4 deck tall roughly. perhaps 5??

but a lot wider with the wing span.

anyone ever really look at it apart from 137th Gebirg
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here is 137th Gebirg work on it
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WOW T! These pics are amazing. You did a great job, my friend (as well as the folks who constructed the meshes). Top notch.
It really gives someone a real idea and perspective of just how large the Galactica really is.
Personally, I think the size of the big "G" lies somewhere between the 6000FT and 2 mile sizes IMHO. Either way, they are excellent pics T.
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Thanks there is more to come.....

also I am going to see if we cannot start a group project soon.

I will start a new thread for that.
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here is 137th Gebirg work on it
It would be interesting to see a side-by-side comparison of the EA Destroyer and the Galactica much like the other pics. I do not have the skills to do this, unfortunately. Fantastic work.
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if any one can convert the EA DESTROYER to obj or better to lightwave I can do it,
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Here are the scenes bothering me (repost from Scifi-meshes.com). Judging from your last render, the EA destroyer looks roughly 4 times the size of a colonial shuttle



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here is the Galactica at 2 mile long ....... the shuttle is 110 ft long and using the measuring tool in lightwave. 30.8 ft tall.

by this the shuttle could almost launch from the viper tubes

by heck it big at 2 miles
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Hmmm...this is an interesting discussion. Apologies for jumping in late. If I may put my .02 cubits in?

Based on the size comparison of the human figure next to the EA Destroyer, a very crude measurement I came up with is approximately 360 Ft long and about 65 Ft high. (Width is not an issue for the purposes of the comparison).

In post 43, there is a pic of a Viper entering the landing bay. It is, more or less, to scale. A similar pic of a shuttle and a Viper entering the bay in post 59 gives us an approximate size comparison for all three. Using the Viper pic as a referent, we could come up with a (again, crude) height for the bay on the 6080 Ft version of the "G".

Based on the Vipers size relative to the height of the bay, the threshold of the bay appears to be about 80-85 Ft high. Does this sound about right?
The EA Destroyer could fit into the landing bay entrance, albeit a little tight.
Taranis: I know you did a mesh a while back of the interior of the landing bay. Did you have an approximation on the height of the landing bay entrance? Is 80-85 Ft close to your measurements?

If all this is relatively accurate, one could infer that the Galactica is, at minimum, 6080 Ft long, but no shorter due to the scales and comparisons given. 2 miles would not be unreasonable either.
My personal opinion is that she's between 6080 Ft and 2 miles in length. Am I off-base on this? Any other thoughts or comments are welcome.
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here is the Galactica at 2 mile long ....... the shuttle is 110 ft long and using the measuring tool in lightwave. 30.8 ft tall.

by this the shuttle could almost launch from the viper tubes

by heck it big at 2 miles
You're right T, the shuttle could fit in the launch tubes! Yikes! Beginning to think the 2 mile length might be too big. 6080 Ft to maybe 8000 Ft for the big "G" might be more resonable. Certainly no bigger. Thanks for the extra comparison.
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here is the 6080 scale and with a viper launching .. more or less to scale I think.
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Sorry CBSG4ever I never really properly scaled it. a habit I have only of late started to do with any proper preparation.

At the moment this model is been worked on by VK08 to reduce the poly count, far more effectively than I could. once that is finished I will work my bay into it but I can check on the opening on this model I am using ...

I think with the Galactica at this scale or perhaps a little bigger ... perhaps 3 or 4 hundred feet max should the as big as it gets ..

with the present arrangement. unless you wish to alter the launch bays
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based on this model the height of the opening on the landing bay is 61 ft

a bit of a let down... but like maudib I always felt that the entrance should be bigger for that ship.

on less there are some from of door that open or close.

(I know we have never seen them- but its a thought)
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Sorry CBSG4ever I never really properly scaled it. a habit I have only of late started to do with any proper preparation.

At the moment this model is been worked on by VK08 to reduce the poly count, far more effectively than I could. once that is finished I will work my bay into it but I can check on the opening on this model I am using ...

I think with the Galactica at this scale or perhaps a little bigger ... perhaps 3 or 4 hundred feet max should the as big as it gets ..

with the present arrangement. unless you wish to alter the launch bays
Agreed. That pic of the Viper launching kinda makes the case for the 6080 Ft (or a few hundred feet more) length for the "G". Looks pretty spot on.
Not sure if anyone else thought to measure up a Viper with a launch tube to figure out scale-to-length before. Excellent thinking, my friend.
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thanks .. these are the questions that have bothered me for years .. now I have the tools to work it out to a degree....

But as I said I will be calling on all modellers soon and story tellers too.

I just need to check out one or two more things before I can really talk
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Anybody trying to work out the scale from screen grabs from the show is on a hiding to nothing.

The scales of the landing bay changes to whatever ship is in it and when you consider that the launch rails on the landing bay aren't angled (like the exit ports on the miniature) but straight, then it's all up for err... grabs.

I've just got some MCA TV publicity material off the bookshelf, and it states:

"The battlestar, Galactica, a space ship more than a mile long, with a cruising speed measured in light seconds..."

And:

"As for the Galactica itself, Larson conceived it as "a city in space, ten times larger than the largest aircraft carrier known today..."|
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Thanks for the 2 mile scale render, that confirms my vision for my "reimagined" big G. I totally agree with Peter on this issue. It's just a 1970's TV show created by anything other than competent scientists and engineers. I wouldn't look too closely at the production credits. I just want to use this BSG stuff to make CGI renders for fun! If you want to really take this up as a hobby, just go visit Jeff Russell's Starship Dimensions website and see how a dude can get totally obsessed with alchemy!
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Thanks for the 2 mile scale render, that confirms my vision for my "reimagined" big G. I totally agree with Peter on this issue. It's just a 1970's TV show created by anything other than competent scientists and engineers. I wouldn't look too closely at the production credits. I just want to use this BSG stuff to make CGI renders for fun! If you want to really take this up as a hobby, just go visit Jeff Russell's Starship Dimensions website and see how a dude can get totally obsessed with alchemy!
I am delighted that your doing the re imagined one. I plan on doing one myself.

I think that whatever you do for Galactica. do it as you think it is. else you get caught up in what should be and there have been to many of those discussions.

for me this has been a exercise in fun and curiosity to how things would look.

I like the idea of a 2 mile ship`. but I think perhaps instead of a 6080 perhaps a 9000ft would be the scale I would do it
if that was my target.

I would boost the viper complement to each Battlestar to 150 Vipers for the 6080. 75 per launch bay capacity and I would then see how many Shuttle it could carry followed by landrams etc.

Crew for the ISD is over 37085

12 land barges
20 AT AT walkers
30 AT AS walkers
8 lambda class shuttles
15 storntrooper trans
5 assault gunboats

One of the things I would like to do is perhaps over this year work on a tech manual for a Battlestar. and or other Colonial
equipment and later Cylon stuff.

so how about it. lets revise what is communally considered as canon for the Classic BSG
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Thanks for the 2 mile scale render, that confirms my vision for my "reimagined" big G. I totally agree with Peter on this issue. It's just a 1970's TV show created by anything other than competent scientists and engineers. I wouldn't look too closely at the production credits. I just want to use this BSG stuff to make CGI renders for fun! If you want to really take this up as a hobby, just go visit Jeff Russell's Starship Dimensions website and see how a dude can get totally obsessed with alchemy!
Strangely enough, the length of 10 aircraft carriers come out at just over 2 miles, so you've managed to persuade me that the G might be even bigger than we all think it is!

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But would the 10 time larger just mean length only, could it not mean volume. one of the launch tubes at the 6080 is twice or three times as
large as an Aircraft carrier. ??

fulfilling the 10 time large scale..

Just a thought
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galactica by folkrm
enterprise a by dennis bailey
enterprise d by prologic 9
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I am quoting myself (why not)

to point out that in the 4th image top view between the Enterprise and the Galactica is a viper.. its a tiny speck
between the 2 ships.

its on the same level as the launch tubes. to give you an idea of the size of the Viper and Galactica.

anyone know what size is the Cylon raider .
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does everyone agree that the raider is 39 feet across-

I going to try that in the next pictures
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I think that whatever you do for Galactica. do it as you think it is. else you get caught up in what should be and there have been to many of those discussions.
That has been my goal from the beginning of my big G project. Nice to see others thinking along similar lines. Good luck with you on your tech manual project But again, I wouldn't spent too much effort/time on it. I'd rather you use your 3D modeling skills to create new reimagined BSG meshes! Not the radically non-BSG style designs of the De Santos productions, but a common sense "evolution" of the 1970's designs. Improving upon the shortcomings of the original so that visually things make sense, but not totally changing the "Colonial look". The new Cylon designs are a complete departure from the spirit of the original and they remind me more of the original Wing Commander Kilrathi designs.

Although this doesn't belong here in this thread, my tentative long range modeling goals are:

1. High poly columbia-class battlestar ( Galactica + Pegasus nameplates)
2. High poly colonial shipyard
3. High poly flagship-class battestar
4. Hidden asteroid colonial secret base
5. High poly cylon baseship
6. High poly cylon super baseship
7. High poly model of Atlantis cityship from Stargate Atlantis universe
8. High poly model of Daedalaus-class battlecruiser

You can see that this would just about represent my lifetime output at my current rate of progress if I concentrate only on modeling. So diverting my attention away to other fan-based efforts would not be possible.
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That has been my goal from the beginning of my big G project. Nice to see others thinking along similar lines. Good luck with you on your tech manual project But again, I wouldn't spent too much effort/time on it. I'd rather you use your 3D modeling skills to create new reimagined BSG meshes! Not the radically non-BSG style designs of the De Santos productions, but a common sense "evolution" of the 1970's designs. Improving upon the shortcomings of the original so that visually things make sense, but not totally changing the "Colonial look". The new Cylon designs are a complete departure from the spirit of the original and they remind me more of the original Wing Commander Kilrathi designs.

Although this doesn't belong here in this thread, my tentative long range modeling goals are:

1. High poly columbia-class battlestar ( Galactica + Pegasus nameplates)
2. High poly colonial shipyard
3. High poly flagship-class battestar
4. Hidden asteroid colonial secret base
5. High poly cylon baseship
6. High poly cylon super baseship
7. High poly model of Atlantis cityship from Stargate Atlantis universe
8. High poly model of Daedalaus-class battlecruiser

You can see that this would just about represent my lifetime output at my current rate of progress if I concentrate only on modeling. So diverting my attention away to other fan-based efforts would not be possible.
Wow good luck with that ....

and I understand where your coming from.. you have your own plan and that´s cool.

My feeling is this for any fan work for the classic Galactica

do what you think you should do..

getting stuck on what´s expected sucks the fun and the joy out of it.

here is an image I had to try .... sorry for the lighting but its called "got him on the right" the raider is 39ft across.

sorry for the lack of credits ... this is in may ways a WIP.
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"Got Him on the Right" part 2. a lighter look.

to me that more or less covers the 6080 ft scale.

I would be the first to admit I can be wrong.

But for me the Classic Galactica is 6080ft long

no other size now looks right..

I hope you have enjoyed this exercise as much as I have.

this has been the most fun I had with BSG in years.
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