Thus it begins (or ends) - comments while watching

[jeditemple]

Originally posted by Spectre
I like it for what it is as well. Old stodgy fans who want to do NOTHING but b|tch and complain about it add NOTHING to the conversation. Get a life people...it's not the end of the world. The end of Cobol maybe...

Talk about adding nothing to the conversation...


But, back to the commentary... This morning at work, I chatted with several younger viewers who had never seen TOS and they found the show utterly boring. The biggest complaints have been against the special effects (handcam and the jerkiness of it all).

The one comment that stood out was that the special effects looked like "Babylon 5" shots from 8 years ago. Another person said it reminded them of "Attack of the Clones" because they used the sudden zooms with the gunships and ground combat. Everyone commented on how the Vipers acted just like the Starfurries from B5, because they pulled the same maneuvers (spinning in place, doing 180's). I wanted to see a sequence where someone used a Turbo. It looked like Starbuck did after she launched, but it wasn't all that exciting. I did like the AWACs ship (Raptor) supporting the Vipers, because it resembled modern air tactics and made sense to include one in the squadron.

There also seemed to be some scenes missing that were in the trailers and in the Lowdown special. I didn't see the same "walking toasters" line from Baltar, nor the T.V. interview. It seems like they toned down the rape scene at the beginning and edited scenes at the last minute.

[LadyImmortal]

And sorry but I'm not impressed.

I put aside any thoughts of Battlestar Galactica as I watched it. I decided to see if I could like it as a separate entity - a 'new sci-fi show'.

Sorry. I didn't.

It was classless. Hopeless. No heart. Nothing that remotely made me want to watch a full series of it. There were maybe five scenes in the whole thing I liked at all - the one with the Deck Chief trying to convince Tigh to give him a minute to save his people was one of them. His talk to Adama later about just needing 40 more seconds. That was pretty good.

The scenes with Boomer and her partner on the planet... that part was pretty good too. And I should say those were the only two characters (besides the Deck Chief) that I liked. At all. I really did try to like Apollo - but he came off as whiney most of the time - though the last 30 minutes he WAS better.

I hated Kara. Absolutely. I made myself think of her as 'Kara' instead of 'Starbuck' and it just didn't work. She's still unlikeable.

The FX were chaotic. I felt like I was going to be dizzy for a while.

Not only was this show NOT Battlestar Galactica, it wasn't even good sci-fi.

--Rhonda

[Trevor Angelus]

Originally posted by jewels
Spectre: trust me. You don't want to know what *I* think of the baby killing scene. How was it merciful to the mother to live the last hours of her life in grief? that's just rhetorical so you can see why Trevor is upset: once you open any cultural Pandora's box there is no shutting it and it spreads across broadcast TV and dulls our cultural moral sensitivity.

Trevor, calm down. by 11pm tomorrow this will all be over. Use the anger energy to write Bob Wright at NBC, just let Spectre's comment go.

Thank you Jewels for perfectly conveying what I was trying to say!

There is nothing perfectly alright about ANY kind of death.

I was just going to write to Mr Larson and Mr DeSanto, do you really think that we will get TV rights after this? If there is any hope I'll be glad to send him a letter. BSG would be better served on tv first anyway!

[Dean Martin]

*****But, back to the commentary... This morning at work, I chatted with several younger viewers who had never seen TOS and they found the show utterly boring.*******

I can see it being boring to younger viewers. I myself am 35 so that's why the grittiness and documentary look probably appealed to me.

I tried to watch it...I WANTED to see Vipers race across the sky once again, but after about 45 minutes it was more than I could stomach. Horrible acting, with the exception of Olmos the casting sucked, the hand-held camera work gave me a headache, and the lack of ANY kind of memorable score was unforgivable. Hey Bonnie Hammer-BSG (TOS) was EPIC! It had a grandness to it you have totally missed. There was NOTHING about these characters to like. You believe that Sci-Fi shows with grand storylines, bigger-than-life heroics, epic scores and clear cut heroes/villians are not what the public wants. You're forgetting that your top rated show, Stargate SG1, is all of those things. I for one don't want a totally realistic show if it means it will suck ass the way yours did. I want to sit back for a couple of hours and be entertained. My son and I will be watching the DVDs of the REAL Battlestar Galactica from now on.

[Dean Martin]

Tom who are you addressing in your post?

[Stevew]

It could have been on earth. Like you I like my sci-fi to take me somewhere else
S

[Starbuck]

Originally posted by jewels
I'm glad the Trek bbs are upset too.

Actually, the reviews over there mixed. Oh, there's the usual "RDM is God" rhetoric, but I'm surprised by the number of luke-warm to negative reviews over there. The usual "RDM can do no wrong" attitude isn't unanimous.

Originally posted by Dean Martin
Tom who are you addressing in your post?

The person at the beginning of sentence three.

[MILES]

what a disaster this was...WING COMMANDER MEETS THE LOVE BOAT IN SPACE....they are all on viagra .... :thumbdwn: :thumbdwn:

Btw, I forgot to add that I think Lee Stringer did an amazing job considering the budget he had to work with. As for the ships, I like the new Viper design, but I hate the Raptor-what a rip-off of the Comanche.

[swarren807]

First and foremost,
I really, REALLY, wanted to like this. Even if I strip all the BSG away, and think of it on it's own merits, it is still bad.

Here are some of my reasons:

(1) Does not live up to the spirit of the original (and I agree, the acting was laughablefrom the original, but check out any show in the 70's)
(2) Reimagined? Cylons that look human, can we say Terminator? Networked computers with a virus, can we say SkyNet? and too many parallels to newer mainstream 'sci fi' to even mention!
(3) Characters are noit likeable. Very boring, stereotypical of military, no depth. Why all the Cylon sex? I am not against sex, but really, sexing up Baltar, in his head?
(4) The uniforms and props, they just sucked! Did they steal them from the B5 set?
(5) Musical score. Horrible, terrible, and just not up to the task. The battle sequences are weak, without any kind of real score behind them. They just feel FLAT.

I laughed when I read the post prior with the reference to SG1 looking more like BSG. I was thinking the same thing when I saw the previews!

[Internecine]

How many old school fans does it take to cancel a possible series? My assumption, just by the negative posts; guess most of them died off in the invasion. I sat down with some friends to watch the second installment tonight. They never watched TOS. They liked it. I watched the origional, I liked it. If you don't like it. Turn your TV off. Most of whom, have been complaining about the remake for the last year, are still complaining now. No one forced you to watch it. And if you find fault in the Mini, just like any show/movie/ story out there. More power to you. If it isn't for all the noise your making, shows won't turn out half as good as this one did. Not even Glen, TOS show pilots, or "Q" can save you now. Now which of those are mythical characters. Complaints that either, its too much like B5 or too much sex, even a retracting land bay. I remember the days of B5 and how many compliments there were on how realistic the show seemed. But now the mini is ripping off how the star fury's flew. Well if you would like a flying stick, make a flying stick. Real ships in space can do 180's why can't BSG? And i'm sure if it was in the budget or they had the means in the 70s to make a retracting landing bay, they would have. But that would have probably put the show way over budget. Don't get me wrong, there are faults. Like it seeming to much like earth. And I wanted to be jetted away about a race that is suppose to come from the same human roots as us earthlings. So wouldn't there be some similarities. Not the mention how was the origional set somewhere else when they traveled Egypt put a color filter over the lense and called it Cobol. The sex! Well sex in TOS. Hmm they couldn't do that on TV. So we had to settle with Starbuck's womanizing and use our imagination.
I'm glad the baby scene, got to many. It was suppose too. The shock of genocide I guess. It didn't hurt to see the mushroom clouds. But once you see death face to face it changes so much right? Or maybe T.V. has just put too much valium on compassion. Watch the news. That makes me want to puke up my dinner every night....


god bless

[Micheleh]

"And i'm sure if it was in the budget or they had the means in the 70s to make a retracting landing bay, they would have."

That's a horrible idea. :p

I can just see it now- the Galactica takes a hit and it loses power or similar, and the entire patrol has to fly around aimlessly for a few yah.. years until they fix the reatractible landing bays because they're stuck.

[Internecine]

Compared to a couple dozen ships flying into a whole and the whole ship blowing up? Didn't voyagers engines go up to jump to warp.. ahhh i'm not a trekie

[thomas7g]

The landing bays were always open on the new mini galactica during combat. So what's the point of bringing the bays into protected mode if nobody is around?

I like the original design better myself. It has better aesthtics for me.

well, after an optimistic viewing last night, even tho the show was agonizingly slow, i was totally let down by tonights conclusion. compared to TOS, the mini is, well, mini.

Loren Greene and the story line of TOS was magnificent, and epic. And i liked the tie in between earth and the colonials.
"they may have been they architechs of the great pyramids, or the lost civilizations of muria, or Atlantis" i like that tie in/premise.

as many have said, the mini just seems like a rejected episode of B5 or somethin. and they just threw in the mention of earth in the last few minutes cuz they ran out of script and needed fill time or somethin.

Im still waiting for "Q" to snap his fingers

[Internecine]

When would have been a good time to throw in Earth? Didn't the new Adama make a comment at the end about not having hope? Was he creating a delusion of hope there? I'm sure if they mentioned it elsewhere it would have been a bad spot as well. TOS Greene didn't speak of Earth til after the invasion as well. TOS "movie" took place over many days, where as, the mini' either was shorter (timespan) or all those corpses would be stinkin' pretty bad i'd assume. I think it was a decent ending. Ty had a reality check, the school marm had an epiphany, and Adama had a loophole to stay in power, if it gets picked up...

[jeditemple]

I think this ending made Adama out to be a desperate liar, if anything. This series has no hope, because they really have NO hope of finding Earth. In TOS, Adama was a very spiritual leader and he actually believed that they could find the 13th colony. That's what gave him the drive to continue...and thus the motivation for all of the survivors. In TOS, they found Cobol and clues that gave them some direction. I don't see how this new series is going to handle this if they're just blindly stumbling along.

[Internecine]

Weren't they stumbling around before they found cobol? Well it was only 2 or 3 episodes before they did but still. The universe is pretty big. I'm sure the writers will figure out something. Like getting stuck between going into something like a black hole or attack cylons just off their sensors right? =)

[Internecine]

I actually had to sit back and think about this. In TOS, if i recall, Apollo mentioned something about all the cylon fighters just before the attack. How it was 2 or 3 base ships worth. In another episode, the one where they had to attack the base ship to continue on, Adama made mention of a base ship having 200 fighters. So there were at most 600 fighters going around the 12 colonies killing everyone in TOS. As we saw, they made good work of building and the Fierce logo. Then during the exodus somehow everyone was able to get away, without any attacks. You'd think 600 fighters vs. 12 planets, that's 50 fighters between 'em all. Just sounds fishy to me. This is in retort to comments made about the new mini and the use of balistic weapons and nukes. Hey even B5 had nukes! The origional star trek. Lasers are so overrated. Make a ship reflective and bam, your guns are useless =)

[dvo47p]

I bet Baltar’s # 6 sent that teletype THERE ARE TWELVE CYLON MODELS, hell that like saying there are three, 1/2 ton pick-up trucks, Chevy, Ford & Dodge.

But what’s with the # 6 model & two robot looking Cylons getting blown up @ Ragnar Station, this proves what?

Re: Baltar & #6 surviving nuclear incident, Baltar survived, and #6 is alien tech hologram.

So why no one sees Baltar talking to someone that is not there, sorta seems ODD!

Even more ODD, Baltar & his # 6, a handjob in public, really smart people have eccentricities, but somebody ought to comment about his really weird behavior?

What's with Cylons and God?

Those Vipers and Batman Cylon fighters doing the dogfighting are shooting something slow with contrails, give me TOS's Lasers. THINK about this one, it looks silly and is confusing, get some sorta particle beam, and we are testing them now on Boeing 747’s. This is a really BIG back step in technology.

Earth is either a legend or a myth, so they are going where with little fuel, food & supplies? These people with Faster Than Light travel, have got to have explored all known space everywhere nearby & the Cylons know what the humans know, so what's the point?

When Adama took that Cylon to that place that screws up Cylons, he knows Cylons are onboard so take everybody to that place, RDM must think we are all stupid, ya know I think he does.

[Stevew]

Nuke and bullets, too much like today. I want lasers and future stuff
S

[jonahlee]

I was really dissapointed with the second half. There were just so many things that didn't add up.

First off, so if Boomer is a Cylon agent who doesn't know she is a Cylon, wouldn't it have been better for the Cylons to activate her when she was collecting all the civilian ships to rendevous, and then had the Cylons jump in with nukes and destroy the whole fleet before they could jump out and to the protection of a Battlestar? That would leave only the 2000 people still alive on the Battlestar, and with no Civilians the race would be dead pretty quickly! And making the only character that I really liked, be the enemy brings the total of likeable characters for the show down to zero!

As for Baltar. He was so much worse in the second half. First off as others have said somene would comment on how weird he acts. Also him picking a scapegoat so he can tell them about the Cylon technology makes him pretty evil, at least if the guy is human. Having him be Cylon means he should have tried to do something to tell the cylons where they were, or have gotten Boomer to do it when she arrived, and was jumping around to collect the human ships. She could go out, and tell the cyclons where they are, then continue bringing human ships there, and on her last jump come in with Cyclons and nukes and wipe them all out in one fell swoop.


Since all the ordinance are physical rounds, and all the monitors seem to be paper print outs they are going to run out of both pretty quickly!

And about hope. The old show was all about hope, and now it seems Adama is lying to them, and not giving them any hope. He says isn't enough just to leave, so all he offers is a false hope. And aren't people going to worry when they just keep randomly jumping, and realize that he has no idea where they are going.

And man is that Galactica ugly! From the pull in fighter bays to the front, as well as the engines, that thing looks awful!!

[Trevor Angelus]

It seems we have a troll posting!

For us complaining about the mini, try waiting 25 years full of rejection and being told that there are no fans and your opinion doesn't matter, then finally when there is hope in the form of DeSanto and Hatch,it's slapped from your hand and you are given THIS! It is a worse slap in the face when you know that the original actors are out there willing to play their parts , most studios when doing a remake do a remake BECAUSE the original characters don't want to be involved.

Don't complain about our complaining, we have legitimate reasons to do so. Try jumping on the trivial whinnings of Star Trek fans who were upset over Enterprise not carrying the Star Trek name! AND THEY GOT THEIR WAY!

And YOU are nitpicking at things about TOS? There are BIGGER issues to deal with on the mini, and you want to rag on the inconsistancies of the BaseStar's Raider complement?

TROLL!

[jonahlee]

I forgot another huge dissapointment for me. The music. So the space scenes were supposed to be documentary style and thus had no music. OK, I can deal with that. Not very Battlestar Galactica, but OK. The thing is what about that porn music they started playing when Boomer and the chief were reunited? What was that? That was so awful it hurt! I was embarrassed to be watching!

[thomas7g]

trev, if you see a troll, please tell a moderator or me with a link. Its best for us to handle it rather than see a fight.

I'm kinda overwhelemd by posts. If you can pm me with the post that bothers you. I don;t see anything right now.

[repcisg]

I just had a nasty thought, and after slapping my self in the face I thought I’d share -


Next season on the new series,

Capt Lee Adama is walking briskly down a corridor in the direction of Kara Thrace’s compartment. On the way there he meets her headed in the opposite direction.

“Lieutenant you are with me,” Capt Adama says sharply, then turns to retrace his steps.

“Where are we going?” Says Thrace, following behind him.

“My cabin”

“Why?”

“Commanders orders, we need to make babies!”

[Starbuck]

Originally posted by repcisg
“Commanders orders, we need to make babies!”

I wonder if the Commander and the President will contribute to the cause?

[repcisg]

Joint command?