[Dawg]

If it's OK, I'd like to respond directly to what Eskimo said.

Eskimo, given the conversations that have occurred over the past year, your reasoning is not unfamiliar to any of us. We have had this conversation on many occassions, and occasionally with people who really don't care about BSG but who just get off on causing fights and arguments. I think you are genuine in your stand, however; otherwise, I'd probably just ignore you.

Instead, Uncle Dawg is going to give you an education.

(That was a joke, BTW.)

Originally posted by Eskimo
[B]This is a responce that I tried to post ealier with a quote from THE DAWG so I have to retype.


To Westy, Jayworld, Dawg:

I think you all are missing the point of my original post which started this all. SO I am going to guide you to the thoughts of my reasoning.

First of all, I am a fan of TOS. I would have enjoyed a return of the so as it was in the 70's. I would have watched and hopefully enjoyed the show if it was done right. A return of Mr. Hatch, Benedict, and those who chose to return to reprise their roles. But I really do not think that is going to happen.

Second. For those of you who think the TOS and the mini can co-exsist, SORRY! Not gunna do it. It wouldn't be prudent at this juncture. It can not happen. Let me put it in simpler terms. Two shows about the same thing using the same basic story line and same charaters but different people playing it is just not feisable and not possible . Now you can't have one on TV and the other on the big screen and make it work. If you can find anything in history where this was successful with proof, I will recant my arguement and concead defeat. But i do not think you can.

We agree here. I don't think the mini and TOS can co-exist, either, but many do think so. However:

Originally posted by Eskimo
The point I used in an ealier post where I compared Star Trek: TOS and the Next Gneration was a bad one and not understood anyways. Lets try it again then. We will use the TOS of Star Trek. Now imagine all the original charaters of Star Trek. i.e Kirk, Spock, Bones, Scotty, and so forth, all played by the original actors. Now imagine all the same character but played by the actors form the next gen cast, i.e Stewert, Frakes, Spiner, and so forth. The plots are basically the same but there are differences as compared to BSG: TOS and the new mini. Both running at the same time. Do you really think this would work? I really don't think so.

Here's where we part company. I find your argument (or at least your example) very much flawed (I thought so with your initial post, too). In general, in fact, I find comparing BSG to Star Trek to be comparing apples to oranges, unless you are discussing the differences in how the two franchises have been handled the last 25 years.

Here is the crux of it: Paramount supported ST, Universal didn't support BSG. When ST was revived, in the films, it was a continuation of the original series, each actor playing the roles they played in the late '60s. The universe was the same, the relationships were the same - in short, it was the same Star Trek, updated to conform with the more sophisticated audience.

Then, because the movies were so popular, came TNG. A continuation set 80 years after Kirk's Enterprise. None of the original characters, but the same universe. Recognizable. Familiar. You don't see Patrick Stewart as Kirk, or Jonathan Frakes as Spock. New characters, new ship, even, but the same, recognizable universe. (This is where your Star Trek analogy breaks down.)

Compare that with what we got as a "revival" of BSG. No comparison, is there? It's not the same universe, not the same characters, not the same relationships. Oh, the presentation was "updated", darker, more brooding, but nothing of the original is recognizable in the new. (Don't get me started on what was carried over - superficialities only, IMO.)

Originally posted by Eskimo
Third. If it wasn't for the mini, it might have been possible for the original to make a come back but after the green lighting of TOS movie and then the backing out of the director, I do not think there is room as of now for a come back of that paticular incarnation of the show now. The problem now is that the mini in now either the life or death of BSG. If it fails most of the fan base that was created by the mini would go away and that would effect the money makers that make the movies. Unless there was a massive campaign for monies by the fans of the original series with donations in the millions (say areound 20 - 40 million) there will not be a return of the original show. But if I am wrong and there is a rturn and survival of this return I will be the first to eat my hat and rejoin the fans with a total devotion of the show. but until then it will have to remain in my past with my childhood.

Keep in mind that if it wasn't for the fans of the original, who have kept BSG alive for the past 25 years, there would be no mini. That's why the mini is viewed by so many as an insult, a slap in the face.

However, you do point out where the danger is, as I see it. If a series based on the mini is produced and runs for more than a few episodes, there is a very real danger that what you propose here will come to pass: we will not see a revival of (what I see as) the real BSG. If this happens, any feature film will be of the Moore BSG universe, not the universe of the original.

Forgive me if I feel that this would be a crime.

I feel that the TOS universe still has so much potential, potential that was wasted with the mini. To my mind it would be far better, now, that it join G80 in limbo. Then we can (with luck) get a DeSanto-produced movie that would appeal to the same audience that enjoyed the mini - you, Rain, Hito, everyone - and appeal to the hard-core fans of TOS, like me.

Crys, when you say they are two different entities, you're right. That's part of the whole problem, IMO. People are now associating "Battlestar Galactica" with the mini, not TOS, and that confuses the issue. In fact, if the mini had been called anything but BSG, this debate would not be happening at all.

Anyway, Eskimo, I hope I have helped clarify matters, and hope you understand and can appreciate my position.

Thanks for listening.

I am
Dawg