Borg on the Galactica???!!!!!
What would happen if the Borg of Star Trek fame discovered the fleet and tried to assimilate it? do the Colonials have any hope of resistance?
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No .. I would thing they be quickly assimilated .. The Galactica may last a bit be not for long .. Viper would quickly be destroyed or worse assimilated .. IMHO
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Funnily enough, there is a CGI fanfilm in pre-production that will explore this very issue.
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really ? ..should be interesting
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A better question would be, could the Borg assimilate another machine race like the Cylon Empire?
Could be very interesting seeing as both are quite dominate in their respective series as a powerful force to overcome. The Borg might have a technological advantage over the Cylons in a battle, but the Cylons numbers game with Baseships and hordes of Raiders might surprise the Borg and they could be overrun by the Cylons. The Borg Queen might find her match in the Cylon's Imperious Leader who's origins are far more darker than hers. The Borg facing other movie/TV series villains would also be a great 'what if' scenario to play out as well here. The Borg Vs The Cybermen? (Dr Who) The Borg Vs The Daleks (Dr Who) The Borg Vs The Vistors ('V') The Borg Vs The Peacekeepers (Farscape) The Borg Vs The Commonwealth (Andromeda) The Borg Vs The Goa'uld (Stargate SG-1) The Borg Vs The Wraith (Stargate Atlantis) The Borg Vs The Replicators (StargateSG-1/Atlantis) The Borg Vs The Ori (Stargate SG-1) The Borg Vs The Federation (Blake's 7) The Borg Vs The Shadows (Babylon 5) The Borg Vs The Drakh (Babylon 5/Crusade) The Borg Vs The Hand (Babylon 5 - Legend Of The Rangers) The Borg Vs The Imperial Empire (Star Wars) The Borg Vs The Necromongers (The Chronicles of Riddick) Now those kind of confrontations is something any fan can debate at any great length here now isn't it! :D KJ |
good night .. that some thinking :)
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Well... why not. Doesn't sci-fi these days have multiple choice villains in various TV shows and movies, mans gotta bust out the old "sci-fi villains list" some time sooner or later. If i didn't do it somebody else on here would've beat me to it, its that simple!
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The Borg Vs The IRS
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It would be interesting to see how they'd handle the shadows from B5 ??
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Shadow bio-technology is based on living death and on a form of technological subversion far more insidious than the Borg ever dared dreamed. Here is the background; http://www.b5tech.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=236 http://www.b5tech.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=157 http://www.b5tech.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9 http://www.b5tech.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=239 http://www.b5tech.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=240 One note; you should be versed in virtual particles to understand why a Jason Ironheart or a Shadow would look at a Borg and laugh. As always; |
I suppose this could be the basis of a new thread, but since we seem to be on the subject.............
has anyone here ever actually calculated how much firepower a Battlestar posesses? I've seen figures for a Stardestroyer bandied about,(of course they have the advantage of canon tech manuals and such things) but no such thing recently for a Battlestar. I am assuming Damocles or WarMachine may be able to provide some info on this subject :salute: |
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In my travels around the net, I happened across this very interesting site. I hope this helps what your'e looking for. http://www.tecr.com/galactica/ Best regards. |
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But just from memory, I would suggest that the Alligator's particle beam weapons(flak guns) would have sufficient work output to totally vitiate [disintegrate to small non-noticable fragments] a 737 equivalent object in one shot at an observed range of at least 10-20 battlestar lengths. Missile weapons that the Pegasus launched observed in Living legend carried nuclear warheads powerful enough to chain off on impact a double-decker sanddollar estimated at 2x -3x the Alligator's mass. To put that into modern terms the Alligator's flak guns have the output of a 40.5 cm. naval gun's explosive shell. That is about 22 megajoules output work delivered to the target kinetically. The missile warhead is a far more serious event, as the nearest equivalent to the kind of weapon that destroyed that basestar in the US arsenal would be equivalent to a MK41 . 10.5e19joules or a 20+ megatonnes of TNT equivalent was the yield of that device.. As always; |
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Oh come on! Its not like you have anything better to do. I'm sure you could do all of your research and have a reply ready for us by say.......wednesday! :rotf: |
The only reason I can come up with that the Borg would bother at all with the fleet is to replenish their "life-stock". The Borg don't just assimilate any old race that happens along. They assimilate unique technologies... technologies that are useful to the Borg. The fleet is nothing but a bunch of floating tin cans full of bio-mass. They don't even posess transporter technology. Heck, they run their ships on what amounts to advanced chemical rockets!
I don't think the Fleet would even warrant a second scan from the Borg. Now, the Ship Of Lights on the other hand... -G |
I respectfully disagree;
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Reasons to technologically investigate the Alligator; 1. artificial gravity. 2. tylium energizers-that alone is sufficient to want to gut the 'gator'. What kind of power source can boost a stick iron rocket to 1/10th c? 3. turbolasers? What kind of particle beams do the Colonials use? Would it be useful to a retarded Berman Drek(TM) species still equiped with "cutting" beams and NDF "phasers"? 4. Solonite. Whatever that was; it was powerful enough to burst a world asunder by simply catching fire. The Colonials know how to mine and use it safely. It is their explosive of choice. 5. And there is the Cylon side of the equation. a. Centurions are smarter than Borg drones-not by much, but they are an ayeye worth investigating. b. The Ravishol pulse cannon is probably superior to any phaser I've seen. c. The Cylons have some kind of propulsion system that compares favorably with whatever the Borg use. d. Both the Cylons and the Colonials have superior ranged fire control systems to any Berman Drek(TM) technology I've seen. e. and there is the Viper and Raider technology to consider. There is enough superior technology there for the Borg to want to investigate the R/T fleet and their pursuers. As always; |
Damocles,
I don't disagree that I would prefer to live in the Galactica universe than the ST universe, but I do disagree that the Borg would find the RTF even remotely interesting. I don't see, in typical episode evidence, that the technology of Galactica is "more advanced" than Star Trek. Don't get me wrong: I'm no fan of Berman's Gordian Knot. Quote:
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We'd have to see whether or not turbolasers could penetrate Borg sheilds. If they do, the Borg MIGHT want to know how they do it, but they could discern that by capturing ONE viper. No need to bother with the gator. Why stir up a nest of bees when you can learn everything you need to know from one drone? Quote:
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I don't mean to say that the Colonials have superior technology to the Borg (though they do, :D ). I mean that the Colonial technology demonstrates interesting physical phenomena and qualities that I would immediately investigate. Quote:
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As for FTL, the assumption I've always made was that they wormholed their way across space, which is about as similar to the Berman Drek(TM) transwarp hub technology as to be a distinction without a difference. Only their ship's are smaller and they don't need a vast physical tramline generator to do it! Quote:
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Solonite is listed in the Battlestar canon as a nonnuclrar explosive. Tylium is a fuel which powers Colonial rockets. That by itself is why I regard solonite as the tylium precursor as both exhibit the properties of virtual matter. To illustrate what I mean; http://www.edwardmuller.com/right17.htm It takes roughly 10e32 joules to shatter an earth-sized planet. 33.0e19 joules equals the yield of one ton of matter and one ton of antimatter mixed together. 10e16 tons of matter and antimatter need to be combined to shatter the Earth. Or to put it another way, I would have to hurl an iron ball about the size of New Hampshire at the Earth at 0.75 c to achieve the same effect. Tylium, in its solonite precursor form, was scattered in deposits across the surface of the casino planet. Boom indeed. What I have never worked out is how it could be more volatile than hydrogen and oxygen chemically. it has to be a high density reaction that appears to be combustible but is not. Hence virtual matter transformation into a free hadron state. KABOOM! Quote:
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Oranges=Cylons Rotten tomatoes=Berman Drek(TM) Talk to you later, G. Frank As always; |
Might be interesting to see the Ravishol Pulsar cut loose at a Borg Cube.
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http://www.oinc.net/knownspace/enc/display.php?477 The Kzinti Lesson. It states "a reaction drive's efficiency as a weapon is in direct proportion to its efficiency as a drive." That is why we discuss fusion-pumped particle beam cannons as a viable weapon. Quote:
http://xxx.lanl.gov/pdf/gr-qc/9211012 Mathematical for now. Not magical. Quote:
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There is confusion here. If the Colonials use solonite as an explosive, and then use solium as a liquid fuel, then I will stick to the science and regard tylium as an energizer and crystalline precipitate product-i.e. a salt. Quote:
Visualize it as a three dimensional ice cream cone-shaped object. 100 kilometers across at the base. The mass is about 10^16 tonnes. Problem Parameters: Projectile Diameter: 100000.00 m = 328000.00 ft = 62.10 miles Projectile Density: 8000 kg/m3 Impact Velocity: 295000.00 km/s = 183195.00 miles/s Impact Angle: 90 degrees Target Density: 2750 kg/m3 Target Type: Crystalline Rock Energy: Energy before atmospheric entry: -1.8 x 10e36 Joules = 4.35 x 10e19 MegaTons TNT KABOOM. Quote:
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Synopsis; you slash with beams and you should be able to slice with them at ranges up to your optical tracking limit. That is the way phasers actually[should] behave. Unfortunately; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRm0R...elated&search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAF3H...elated&search= That is sufficient unto the purpose. Quote:
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tactics/Maquis.jpg http://employees.csbsju.edu/rsorense...maquis_bow.jpg Quote:
Here ia a neutral source I use when I have to objectify SW vs. ST biases; http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/index.html and another one; http://www.orionsarm.com/ F. As always; |
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Using a one-person trainer would be a good way of training to fly shuttles and other small craft in isolation - but it doesn't predicate a doctrine of one-person fighters. In fact, outside of fan-canon, I've never seen any evidence of any Alpha-Quad races/powers of any consequence using fighters. And, because of differing cultural values, I can only conclude that one-person fighters don't exist because they cannot carry weapons that are effective against ST-canon capitol ships...which would seem to be borne out by the ep where the crews' short-term memories were wiped - the E-D was attacked by a swarm of fighters from a minor state and easily destroyed them, suffering no damage. BSG fighters (Colonial and Cylon), OTOH, have shown that they are fully capable of smashing enemy capships into spare parts, despite evidence of non-physical shields of some sort existing...granted, they take high casualties to do so, but then the USN's carrier strike groups at Midway also had a much-less-than-desirable survival rate. Quote:
Significantly, we have repeated visual evidence of small craft being completly vaporized in BSG from secondary-battery and fighter-battery hits, while that rarely happens within Trek, specifically after shields are gone. (ST:WoK, among others.) Since we see fighters ramming ships in both BSG and DS9 (in the Dominion War arc), we can make some comparisons in the armor department, even given ambiguous Dominion fighter mass. We see a Dominion "fighter" take out a good-sized chunk of the primary hull of a Galaxy-class (the Odyssey?); the subsequent destruction was not due to the direct actions of the fighter, but from the damage to the Fed-ship's warp core. I put quotes around "fighter", because the visual evidence at the point of impact indicates that the Dominion fighter is nearly as large as a Klingon BOP...See Below. The other problem is that in BSG, when we see Cylon Raiders ramming Battlestars, even though they are packed with explosives and cause major damage, we have not seen large pieces removed off of the ships. Conclusion: BSG capships are built a LOT sturdier than ST-'verse ships, and their power-on-target figures are far more advanced. Also, you made mention of lack of transporters being a reason for the Borg to ignore the RTF. My question is: so what? Transporters have been shown repeatedly to be inefficient, easily-interrfered with power-hogs. Could the Colonials build transporters? Probably - their sheer raw-power output indicates that they have the energy, although their computer technology seems to lag significantly behind Trek - or us, for that matter: the only advanced computer equipment I've seen on-screen in BSG in Colonial hands is the Viper's targeting sensors - and that's not even a holographic heads-up display, which we use on attack helo's. From what I've seen, my cellphone has more capabilities than the average Colonial computer. Quote:
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As far as fuel goes, I took the view that battlestars didn't necessarily need a "conventional" fuel resource to keep going as far into deep space as they could. Nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers don't need to be refueled, so I always saw the top line warships having a self-generating source with tylium only needed for a kind of auxilary power.
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About powerplants.................
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That means at the low end of the technology tree a fusion power reactor of 10e-8 solar core density outputting at a minimum 10e6 watts to power a zippy. That is what we expect out of ITAR[20% efficiency] which will hopefully be our first fusion reactor. It will use about ten grams of lithium per day as fuel to output, if it works at all. Nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers use fission reactor heat sourced steam turbine machinery to produce either direct drive or electrical output step indirect drive propulsion. Those engines rely on fission and the isotope decay heat generated from that fission to produce that eneregy. Such powerplants generally are military rated, (which means unsafe) and output anywhere from 13% to 23% final mechanical efficiency. The range of output varies from 10e6 to 10e8 watts per reactor. A military fission reactor can use up to 100-1000 kilograms of uranium to form its heat core and it will supposedly last from five to twenty-five years depending on the fuel rod or pebble bed half-life decay rate. That watt output range is enough energy to power a city from the size of Junction City Kansas to maybe Cleveland, Ohio per second. [joule/second=watts.] Now realistically the Alligator needs a powerplant to output at a minimum 10 e20 watts to do what she does. Try accelerating a 100,000,000 ton mass at 10 mps^2 at a lower output? Not possible. 10e20watts is the lower limit. http://eed.llnl.gov/flow/images/USEnFlow02-exaj.gif Now if you know what an exajoule is [10e18 joules], the US uses on an average 100 exajoules per year. The Galactica powerplant should output that amount at a minimum each second. :eek: That is the minimum output. So tylium to be functional has to be an energizer. The influence it must use because of the energy densities[watts/centimeter^2] and the smallness of the Alligator, plus the presence of rockets as the motive means, must be inflationary force exerted as a virtual particle lens to form that zippy. I don't know why, if the Colonials have that kind of powerplant, why they need rockets, since the very ability to generate dark energy, and use the inflationary influence that goes with it, results in a reactionless thruster; but since they do use rockets, the reaction mass energized to do work, which is cheap, plentiful, and dense enough to be compact and storable at the sizes seen, is iron. That is why I write that Vipers and the Alligator are tylium [virtual matter] energized stick iron rocket-propelled spacecraft. As always; |
Could the Galactica have some Bussard's like on the Enterprise in Trek .. or limited refinery in the main engine area .. to convert materials in to fuel .. say in an asteroid field
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That is exactly what it would have to do. http://www.b5tech.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=227 The Raymond Spruance and the Nathan Hale operate exactly that way. Pay particular attention to the way the Von Neuman machine munches on an asteroid when the lasers are changed out in the HERO class destroyer. The polarizer on the Nathan Hale is an ingestor as well as a spinal weapon. http://www.b5tech.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=187 and the technology itself described? http://www.b5tech.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=156 You will notice how the Alligator features? [Shameless plug. :D ] As always; |
I have a read of that thanks :)
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Gordon quietly backs out of the room and goes back to making high-quality replica props from his favorite TV show...
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