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Flamingo Girl
May 10th, 2003, 03:51 PM
Lieutenant Starbuck crash lands on Attila, a Cylon controlled world, to find human children leading a guerilla resistance.


Series stars; Richard Hatch as Apollo, Dirk Benedict as Starbuck, Herb Jefferson Jr. as Boomer, Lorne Greene as Adama, Terry Carter as Colonel Tigh, Maren Jensen as Athena, Tony Swartz as Jolly, Laurette Spang as Cassiopia, Noah Hathaway as Boxey, Sarah Rush as Rigel, David Greenan as Omega, and John Colicos as Baltar.

Guest starring Charles Bloom as Kyle, Bruce Glover as Megan, Audrey Landers as Miri, Adam Van as Nilz, Woodward as Robus, and Brigitte Muller as Ariadne.

(Thanks to Michael Faries Battlestar Galactica.com (http://www.battlestargalactica.com/about/index.html ))

Charybdis
July 30th, 2003, 08:48 AM
Is it just me or why do I find it totally unnecessary to have candles and flame torches in the castle where the Cylons are staying???

kingfish
July 30th, 2003, 08:53 AM
In the novel, Miri could communicate with the Unicorns through mental telepathy.

Dawg
July 30th, 2003, 09:34 AM
This episode was not one of BSG's shining moments. Improbable at best (that nursery rhyme thing still makes me shudder), putting those youngsters in harm's way the way Starbuck did was inexcusable. Slingshotting grenades into the fuel dump? Good thing the Cylons were coming down with a bad case of rust (?) and couldn't shoot worth beans.

The acting was atrocious, much of the writing juvenile. The only positive was Audrey Landers, and that was because of her appearance, not her acting. :naughty: The Landers sisters were in a lot of guest parts about that time, too - a lot for the various Larson series in particular.

No, not my favorite episode.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

RGrant
July 30th, 2003, 09:55 AM
I admit I liked the exchanges between Spectre and Baltar, but you're right, this one was lacking. It's kind of maddening because a lot of BG was close-but-no-cigar. It would have taken just a little bit more work to make the bad episodes into good ones. Here are some changes to this episode, keeping the core of the story the exact same, that could have made this a much better and more adult episode.

After picking up explosions on the surface of the planet, Starbuck and Boomer, or Starbuck and Apollo (or even better, all three of them) land and discover a guerilla band of human survivors who are playing havoc with the Cylons. There are maybe a dozen of these humans, but they're ADULTS, with maybe two or three late-aged teens. Spectre is holding their CHILDREN in the castle.

Starbuck and Apollo landed in order to bring these people back to the fleet, not knowing about the children. They're kidnapped and held for ransom...the same story plays out, except this time it's adults saving their kids. It really wouldn't have been hard to make this episode much more believable and adult-oriented.

kingfish
July 30th, 2003, 12:04 PM
Some of the footage was borrowed from this episode for the Galactica 1980 episode.

RGrant
July 30th, 2003, 12:59 PM
I was wearing a blue shirt when I watched this episode.

shiningstar
August 16th, 2003, 05:31 PM
I think you're right. WHY on EARTH would the CYLONS
need Torches or candles? I found that ODD when I
watched it ..........

Rickyrod70
October 5th, 2003, 07:36 PM
The only saving grace of this episode is the beautiful Audrey Landers. I never tire of her or her sisters beauty.

Belloby
October 21st, 2003, 02:58 PM
I wish they would've brought Spectre back. That 'droid cracked me up.

kingfish
October 21st, 2003, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Belloby
I wish they would've brought Spectre back. That 'droid cracked me up.

They did in the telemovie Conquest of The Earth. Spectre is in charge of the a-b craft and must come up with excuses when the craft is lost.

kingfish
October 21st, 2003, 03:10 PM
She was on Vega$ with the late Robert Urich. I remember one two hour tv movie which featured Lorne Greene as the bad guy who was trying to brainwash Dan Tanna into killing Roth.

Doctor Salik
November 9th, 2003, 07:03 AM
This episode rates mediocre with me. The rhyme is awkward. Cylons in a castle? Cleaning their weapons?! Give me a break!
It's a good thing the Cylons do not have fighters or scanners in this episode or they would have found the children at once. I like Spectre, though.
Interesting sidenote: I own a Cylon costume and can imagine what torture it must have been for the poor stuntmen to walk through water in that outfit.

Charybdis
November 10th, 2003, 08:12 AM
Well, on a planet like that with water and pretty bad conditions for robots, I guess even the Cylons had to clean their guns!!!!

Domiano
December 16th, 2003, 05:04 AM
Miri was cute and Starbuck can not keep his hands off any female. How old was Miri compared to Starbuck? She looked under 18.:eek:

I actually liked seeing Cylons in a castle and the story was not too bad. The first born son was a bit annoying....even in the deleted scenes. I remember buying a magazine and seeing pictures of Starbuck's damaged viper. I was so amazed at how they made it, I took my toy viper and my number 2 pencil and drew tiny holes on the bottom to make it resemble the damage.

shiningstar
January 5th, 2004, 04:43 PM
I liked spectre too Belloby. I wanted them to bring him back
instead we got stuck with LUCIFER ..............BOOOOORING

ViperTech
January 16th, 2004, 08:54 PM
This episode has a lot of high comedy...some from the idiocy of the Cylons, some from the writing itself. I remember hating the song-chant thing when I originally saw it...and I was 9. Now as an adult, I find it cute. Spectre was awesome.

A rivalry between him and Lucifer would have been a great choice for the Producers/Writers. Who knows what was in store for a second season?!

The story was decent enough, though it did have the
already-mentioned flaws.

The young Audrey Landers was beautiful and did well considering what the writers gave her. I get a kick out of seeing her in this role after seeing her in later her days on DALLAS. I always prefered her sister Judy on
BJ and The BEAR, though.

The part where the boys walk between the Cylon sentries as they walk apart and the Tin Cans hear nothing and continue their patrol was too much to believe.

With this one, we simply must remember that BG's audience demographics included kids. This episode was clearly geared towards them, even if the writers did just end up insulting even their intelligence (inluding mine at Age 9).

shiningstar
January 19th, 2004, 05:17 PM
I loved the song chant thing. I think it really helped to
show what was coming in the story line.

WARDAGGIT73
February 14th, 2004, 10:45 AM
***1/2

I like the elements of this episode. At first it seems to be a throw away episode nut it isn't it adds texture to the series. The Nursery rhyme is cool too, plenty of humour and it's fun watching Baltar outwitting himself...

shiningstar
February 25th, 2004, 06:49 PM
***1/2

I like the elements of this episode. At first it seems to be a throw away episode nut it isn't it adds texture to the series. The Nursery rhyme is cool too, plenty of humour and it's fun watching Baltar outwitting himself...

I think the "Nursery Rhyme" was what pulled that particular scene together
and reminded us that for all their 'skill' as 'warriors' they were in fact still
children.

Antelope
March 5th, 2004, 02:54 PM
Overall this was the weakest TOS story. I thought Starbuck and Miri were overly flirtatious. The fact that she looked under 18 was not a good thing. I am sure the young male audience enjoyed it however. I also never saw anyone in the episode outside the immediate family so it is a bit disturbing to wonder what became of them after the colonials left. I guess I need to suspend some more reality and not think of it to much.

This espisode did have some good insight into the cylons. It showed that they do have a class that has some initiative and human like concerns. It was good seeing Spectre make his false reports and have a sense of humor.

As episodes progressed it is possible to see how the colonials fell for the original cylon armistice ruse. If you had a cylon like Spectre or Lucifer at the negotiating table you might just have hope you were dealing with beings with some kind of concern or empathy. It is obvious that at a minimum they cared about themselves and their careers in the cylon hierarchy.

launchcruiser7
March 13th, 2004, 12:39 PM
:salute: :mad: :rolleyes: :wtf: best 18 year old on show deerskin skirt lucifer having a tif over his rival go rust yourself in the book she knows starbuck isnt the one for her but she dosnt want him to forget about her so she seeks a moving painting abourd the shutle again planet close to colonys no weopens but the cylons leaveonly 5 people on whole worldshe was and is a major hottie on my dvd the exrta parts were greatLANUCHCRUISERHAWKEYEREADY TO DEFENDTHE FLEET FROM THE RUST BUKKETS we did it tigh we alldid it the hand of god god bless annie dirk richard tony sara and all the rest the new movie was starbucks bad dream part 2 :popcorn: :kiss: :bounce: :beer: againg the best looking geaststar of whole show

shiningstar
March 13th, 2004, 05:41 PM
Actually I liked the Jealousy that Lucifer showed toward Spectre and
I lovvvvvvvvvvvvvved Baltar's amusement at Lucifer because of it :thumbsup:

LOL Launchcruiser :laugh: Welcome to the fleets :thumbsup:

Bombadil
March 20th, 2004, 09:09 AM
The premiere and early episodes were truly dramatic, and they only hinted that BG was going to be less than realistic science fiction. This episode made it plain. It was, at best, high camp, and at worst it was just silly.
:thumbdown

(I admit, though, that watching Spectre behave like a GS-11 lifer was a hoot!)

shiningstar
March 20th, 2004, 10:36 AM
The premiere and early episodes were truly dramatic, and they only hinted that BG was going to be less than realistic science fiction. This episode made it plain. It was, at best, high camp, and at worst it was just silly.
:thumbdown

(I admit, though, that watching Spectre behave like a GS-11 lifer was a hoot!)

I think this episode could have been better written. Although I must admit
I lovvvvvvvvvvvvved the rivalry between Spectre and Lucifer and Baltar's
amusement to it :duck:

Eric Paddon
March 25th, 2004, 12:07 PM
For those who have long wondered who did the voice of Spektor in this episode, I think after multiple viewings I can finally place it. I have heard some suggest that Jonathan Harris did it as well, but it's clearly not him and I am almost completely sure it is in fact Murray Matheson, who played Sire Geller in "Greetings From Earth."

Senmut
March 31st, 2004, 12:11 AM
Hhmm............. I thought Blofeld was the voice of SPECTRE???
Oooops. Wrong franchise!

bsg1fan1975
April 15th, 2004, 01:04 PM
the rivalry between the two IL's was a riot but the lines between the cylon and Starbuck were a classic

Captain Morgan
May 1st, 2004, 09:21 AM
I got up on saturday morning to watch a BSG mini marathon with the 3rd disc of the DVD set .I was not looking forward to watching THE YOUNG LORDS thinking that the whole STARBUCK and THE LORD OF THE FLYS story idea was tired but just like with THE LOST WARRIOR I was wrong.Plenty of CYLON activity,a whole
new Lightbulb robot and 1 of the Landers sisters for the jailbait lust factor.I was looking at this episode as just the one before THE LIVING LEGEND but it's very
good even with the unicorns and that kids silly THOR helmet!ALRIGHT,now I can
finally watch Lloyd Bridges beat up some CYLONS!"I WAS HIRED BY YOUR PARENTS
TO MAKE A MAN OUT OF YOU"!

BRG
September 20th, 2004, 06:31 AM
A fair episode, not one of the best, so 2 out of 5.

I found the brats annoying, espescially the older boy with The Mighty Thor helmet(Kyle, I think his name was). That whining git needed a good slap. :mad: And the fact that Starbuck took the kids into battle was outrageous! Ok, mabey the older boy & Miri are old enough for combat, but the youngest three brats? :wtf:

But any Starbuck centered episode is always fun to watch, and the Spectre - Lucifer part was enjoyable. And it was good to see Bruce Glover who played the kids father Megan, he is best known for his role as Mr Wint, the homosexual hitman who menaced Big Sean and the lovely Jill St. John in Diamonds Are Forever . :cool:
BRG

PS- just a thought, but are Megan & his kids the only humans left on Attila? If so, I recon they will be breaking out the banjo's pretty soon! :eek: :naughty:

Charybdis
September 20th, 2004, 10:36 AM
Yes, Matheson is the person who voiced Spectre and he later was Sire Gellar on the show...

This show always ranks pretty low on my overall BSG scale of eps, but when I watch it, I can't help but liking it anyway...

Even the worst BSG ep is better than anything else. There's just something about this show...I guess that's why we are still here 26 years later still discussing it!!! Yahhooo!!!

Eric Paddon
September 20th, 2004, 10:03 PM
Audrey Landers gets my vote for most beautiful female guest star in TOS.

One would hope that there are others on the planet still in hiding or else the possibilities suddenly become rather revolting if you think too carefully about it.

BRG
September 21st, 2004, 10:40 AM
Audrey Landers was indeed a stunning guest star, although her character seemed a wee bit young for Starbuck, IMHO!

And as for other humans on the planet, I also reckon there are others hiding in the wild. After all, the way Spectre ran the place, if they never attacked the Cylon's, Spectre would just ingnore them and claim they are all dead! ;)
But they could have made that point clear, for all we know that family are the only humans on the planet.
BRG

Mustex
November 18th, 2004, 03:27 PM
Hey, I recorded this episode in the marathon, and watched it (I was at school at the time). I like it for the most part, but why did they do the rhyme? I personally think I could have memorized my small part in the plan, or even the entire plan, faster than I could have come up with the rhyme. It's not like they were doing anything THAT complicated, or had to know it word-for-word.

peter noble
November 19th, 2004, 12:05 PM
The Young Lords

http://img58.exs.cx/img58/1815/VIPERDAMAGE.jpg

Original Airdate: November 19, 1978

Writers: Don Bellisario, Frank Lupo and Paul Playdon.

Director: Don Bellisario.

Guest Cast: Charles Bloom (Kyle), Bruce Glover (Megan), Audrey Landers (Miri), Brigitte Muller (Ariadne).

After a battle with enemy fighters, Starbuck is forced to crash land on a planet under Cylon control and commanded by the cunning Spektor. Starbuck meets a group of child warriors who have been attacking the Cylon battalion that abducted their father. He leads the children on a raid to rescue their father and destroy the garrison.

To simulate Starbuckís crash site, the life-sized Viper was attached to a crane and lowered to the edge of a swamp. The wings were removed, set near the hull, and the Viper was then dressed as if the vehicle had crashed there. Special care had to be taken to ensure that the Viper would not suffer any damage during the shoot. "We were concerned about it because when you're craning you're hanging from certain stress points," explains art director Richard James. "Those things weren't built in. It wasn't designed for that." Another concern was the possibility of water damage to the expensive prop, "That was one of the first things I brought up. We didnít want to warp it. It's all made out of plywood. But we protected it and it survived."

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The Cylons, however, were not so lucky. In a sequence that required a Cylon patrol to march through a swamp, a number of the costumes were drenched to the chest plate and suffered water damage. "They were all backed on buckram," recalls costume designer Jean-Pierre Dorleac, "and when buckram gets wet it loses its stiffness. They all got wet and the Cylons crawled out looking like glue."

Production difficulties aside, The Young Lords is remembered by many of the cast for one of Battlestar Galactica's most humorous anecdotes. Towards the end of episode, the script called for the children to launch a fiery assault on the Cylon garrison. The sequence had been staged so that a line of Cylons would march across the wall of the fortress and down a series of steps. "The first Cylon stumbled," remembers Benedict, "and it was like dominos. You had all the Cylons fall down these steps. It was terrifying and yet unbelievable. It was like a bowling alley or one of those fairs where you shoot ducks down. But nobody got hurt, so we laughed a long time about that."

Herb Jefferson Jr. also remembered the incident and adds, "They were all lying on the ground, scanners looking up in the air with little red dots going."

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kingfish
November 19th, 2004, 12:49 PM
Peter the images are outstanding. This episode was also used or reused in return of Starbuck. The battle footage is taken from it with a few close ups of Benedict and Jefferson Jr in the two seat Viper Mockups. Sticks out like a sore thumb.

bsg1fan1975
November 24th, 2004, 08:06 AM
a very good one. Yes, Kyle was a bit annoying. I think it was the fact he saw Starbuck as a threat to his being the leader and instead of taking the time in the beginning to find out what Starbuck was really like he acted all immature until he saw for his own eyes that Starbuck was right.

Eric Paddon
November 24th, 2004, 08:46 AM
"but why did they do the rhyme?"

A lot of us have wondered about that for years too! :) Actually, I think the reason it got stuck in is because from a technical standpoint it helps speed the pace of the episode because if it had been done in the realistic way we prefer we would have needed Starbuck to explain the plan in precise detail without being set to scenes of the plan being implemented, or had some awkward expository dialogue during the implementation that would have come across awkward on the screen.

Sometimes the things that can leave us baffled from a plausible story-telling standpoint are the kind of things that the demands of producing a tightly constructed 48 minute script end up imposing on the story, and I think the whole silly "singing" sequence would be near the top of the list in that category.

Dawg
November 24th, 2004, 09:23 AM
You know, Eric, I hadn't thought of that from a production perspective.

But: we humans have a long history of teaching songs. Putting something to rhyme is often an easier way to memorize instructions. They still do it in preschool/kindergarten/early education. There's Sesame Street, and a certain purple dinosaur...

Although I didn't really like the thought of Starbuck putting those kids in harm's way like that, putting the plan into verse like that would help them remember the timing and exact sequence of the attack.

This really wasn't one of their better efforts, I think. Except for Audrey Landers.

I am
Dawg
:warrior:

bsg1fan1975
November 24th, 2004, 11:04 AM
But: we humans have a long history of teaching songs. Putting something to rhyme is often an easier way to memorize instructions. They still do it in preschool/kindergarten/early education. There's Sesame Street, and a certain purple dinosaur...

Although I didn't really like the thought of Starbuck putting those kids in harm's way like that, putting the plan into verse like that would help them remember the timing and exact sequence of the attack.


I think you surmised the reason for the rhyme very well. I do know that they still teach that in the schools today, or at least they did when my younger siblings were still in elementary school.:D

Fragmentary
December 30th, 2004, 01:15 AM
Okay, am I the only one dying to know what the world changing decision Starbuck came to was? Just as he's about to tell Boomer the cylons show up and start shooting. What a tease.

julix
December 31st, 2004, 01:15 PM
Boy Frag I am gonna have to go back and watch that one because I can't think of it right now...so a re-watch is the way to go for me. I am curious now as well :)

Eric Paddon
December 31st, 2004, 02:56 PM
If I recall right, it's covered in the outtakes and involves Starbuck suddenly vowing to cut back on some of his vices, which Boomer is skeptical of.

GalacticanCajun
January 22nd, 2005, 10:07 AM
Just watched this episode this week on my DVD. Loved it. Looking forward to The Living Legend next. Go Lloyd Bridges!! :Nsmilie: :Nsalute: :salute: :) ;)

Senmut
January 22nd, 2005, 08:30 PM
Audrey Landers gets my vote for most beautiful female guest star in TOS.

One would hope that there are others on the planet still in hiding or else the possibilities suddenly become rather revolting if you think too carefully about it.


I am sure there are other Human enclaves on Atilla, given that it is an entire planet. Whether they are in communication is another thing. As to the "rather revolting" possibility you posit, well, not all cultures share our taboos, and such unions were common among Egyptian royalty. Given the obvious connection with things Kemetian, this sort of thing might not be seen there as proscribed.
It was rather obvious, of course, despite the way the Network danced around it.

Eric Paddon
October 2nd, 2006, 06:28 PM
Bumping the thread (hey after 21 months it needs it!) just to say once again that Audrey Landers wins my vote for most beautiful female guest star on Galactica. :)

Croft2018
November 18th, 2020, 02:56 PM
Bumping this thread after a whopping 14 years! These BG forums are just dead aren't they?

Murray Matheson as Specter gets my vote as the best Cylon with the grooviest outfit seen in the show.

Senmut
November 18th, 2020, 04:39 PM
And so prissy, too. He really played it to the hilt.

Eric Paddon
November 18th, 2020, 05:42 PM
Bumping this thread after a whopping 14 years! These BG forums are just dead aren't they?



There may have been some lost posts from that 2014-2018 period where everything that was posted at Fleets was lost. Granted, we were already a bit on the downside then in terms of discussion but a lot of insights I know were lost along the way.

Still haven't changed my mind that Audrey Landers was the sexiest "guest star" female (and yes I'm picking her over even Jane Seymour).

Senmut
November 18th, 2020, 08:06 PM
I suspect Starbuck may have agreed.

Charybdis
November 19th, 2020, 10:30 AM
OK, now that's just fightin' words!!! I have long believed that during that time period, Jane Seymour was absolutely the most beautiful woman in the whole world. Audrey was certainly beautiful too, but for me, Jane all the way...

Croft2018
November 21st, 2020, 12:37 PM
All of the women - Seymour, Jenson, Spang, Lockhart - are gorgeous and about as sexy as each other. As for the guest character females, they were all pretty sexy including Bret Somers as Siress Belloby and Ina Ballin as Siress Tinia.

Charybdis
November 23rd, 2020, 11:06 AM
Let's not also forget Ana Alicia...very beautiful as well...from Take the Celestra.