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Apollon
April 19th, 2004, 04:47 PM
Hi folks. I'm familiar with the collar insignia worn by the bridge crew and warriors of the Galactica as well as those worn by the crew of the Pegasus. I know that US Army Military Intelligence branch pins were used for the Galactica (except they were worn inverted/dagger pointing down) and US Navy Command Ashore pins were used for the Pegasus. Assuming that each battlestar would have their own insignia, was there a set used in the show for the crew of the Atlantia? If so, what did the insignia look like?

thomas7g
April 19th, 2004, 05:39 PM
Good question!

Anyone know?

jewels
April 19th, 2004, 09:54 PM
I can't think of an Atlantia scene where any warrior is shown close enough to see.

Apollon
April 20th, 2004, 10:28 AM
Yeah, it's a pity there were no close up Atlantia scenes. The crew seemed to have a distinctive shoulder patch, but I couldn't make it out either.

Titon
April 21st, 2004, 06:33 AM
There was an insignia for the Atlantia. I think i have some info on that somewhere. I'll look and let you guys know.

:)

Apollon
April 21st, 2004, 09:10 AM
Thanks Titon, I look forward to seeing it. :thumbsup:

Apollon
April 26th, 2004, 05:11 PM
There was an insignia for the Atlantia. I think i have some info on that somewhere. I'll look and let you guys know.

:)


Hi Titan, have you found any info on the Atlantia's insignia?

Rowan
April 26th, 2004, 05:52 PM
Apollon try this site :D ;)

http://www.tic.ab.ca/~markv/battle~2.htm


" * Denotes item from Warrior Tech Manual (presuming the Seal is the same as the Warrior insignia patch) * Denotes my own design and is therefor not official."

BST
April 26th, 2004, 05:56 PM
Apollon try this site :D ;)

http://www.tic.ab.ca/~markv/battle~2.htm


" * Denotes item from Warrior Tech Manual (presuming the Seal is the same as the Warrior insignia patch) * Denotes my own design and is therefor not official."


Great find, Rowan.

:thumbsup:

Apollon
April 27th, 2004, 06:00 AM
Indeed, a great find! Thanks Rowan. :thumbsup:

Rowan
April 28th, 2004, 06:56 PM
Your welcome gentlemen always a pleasure to be of help;) :D

Darth Marley
May 14th, 2004, 05:59 AM
Oddity to throw in:
http://www.thepatchshop.de/de/dept_71.html

Apollon
May 14th, 2004, 04:31 PM
I've got a Galactica patch sewn on my gear pack which I got from battlestargalactica.org:

http://www.battlestargalactica.org/catalog/insignia.shtml

Incidentally, in the "Lost Warrior" episode we catch a glimpse of the patch on Martin's flight jacket. Even though it's not mentioned in the episode, has anyone speculated which Battlestar he was from?

http://www.kobol.com/sales/sale006.html

jewels
May 14th, 2004, 09:17 PM
You might want to start a separate thread for that question. Larocque or Eric Paddon or Skippercollecto are some of the heavily steeped in the details folks around here that have loads of background information from years past would be your best bets. You could also try emailing Susan Paxton at Battlestar Zone. She's a one person walking Galactica encyclopedia. There might be something one of them knows.

Jewels

Ioraptor
May 14th, 2004, 11:55 PM
Ofcourse we must not forget the men and women of the Galactica who maintain the pipes and recycle systems of the ship proper. Theirs is an ancient task said first to have been practiced by the very Lords of Kobol on their white porcelain thrones in ages past. Though the butt of rough humor these fellows insure that the fleet might continue its arduous journey. Indeed, close examination of this insignia reveals a mystery of history most significant to our journey.

http://hazard.sphosting.com/felpatch.jpg


Look closely at the globe between the arrows of recycling.... It is a globe representing a planet. But which planet you ask? Where did the art of Feldercarb recycling reach its zenith? The planet is Earth, the thirteenth colony.

;)

justjackrandom
May 17th, 2004, 03:14 PM
From what I can make out from the few scenes where we see something of the patch, it does not look much like the design shown at

http://www.tic.ab.ca/~markv/battle~2.htm.

It seems to be a circular patch more like the Galactica’s, with what looks like either a u-shaped laurel branch with a sword pointing upward through the center, or a trident. If a trident, it is possible that the collar insignia worn by the Pegasus crew were re-used pieces of wardrobe from the Atlantia’s crew. It never did make sense to me that the Pegasus’ collar pins were tridents…unless they are not ship specific, but indicative of some larger military organization, which may be the case. There is evidence of this in Saga. The Gemons playing cards with Starbuck are from another ship (their patches are different…Acropolis perhaps?), but their collar tabs are the same as those of the Galactica.

Bill

Charybdis
May 18th, 2004, 12:16 PM

137th Gebirg
June 7th, 2004, 05:41 PM
I have done some research on this since the DVD set came out, and from what I have been able to ascertain, the Atlantia shoulder patch is the same as the Galactica patch BUT with an extra diamond-shaped patch on top of it with what appears to be a fleur-de-lis. There are some extra scenes of the Pyramid game between Starbuck and the Gemon (the guy with the REALLY big hair) right before the first alert which clearly shows the Gemon's patch. The scene with the Atlantia blowing up shows a bridge officer furiously pounding buttons on his console. He APPEARS to have the exact same patch as the Gemon playing Pyramid.

Original Gemon pics:
http://patriot.net/%7Ejstevens/web/GemonInsignia1.jpg http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4568/gemoninsignia19dk.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3125/gemoninsignia21ki.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7527/gemonenhanced2wr.jpg

Original Atlantia pics:
http://patriot.net/%7Ejstevens/web/Atlantia1.jpg http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5518/atlantia14fk.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6783/atlantia22eb.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1852/atlantiaenhanced9fi.jpg

"My Take" on this patch:
http://patriot.net/%7Ejstevens/web/gemon_patch3.gif http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/6853/gemonpatch6zc.gif

Re: Martin's patch: I remember reading somewhere that the props department folks mentioned the Acropolis as being his Battlestar of origin. I have no idea where to find this info again, but it was good enough for me.

BTW...Background on the patches:

Galactica: Custom for the show - aparently two versions existed - the Blue Squadron version and the Red Squadron version:
http://patriot.net/%7Ejstevens/web/blue_squadron.gif http://img276.imageshack.us/img276/8174/bluesquadron1ze.gifhttp://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5539/redsquadron5rl.gif

According to various stories, the red squadron patches were used on a scant few uniforms on the flight deck. However, since they were allegedly only used during tactical alerts, the red filters on the lights made them appear identical to the Blue Squadron patches.

Pegasus: Originally Korean-era SCARWAF patches (Special Category Army With Air Force) Joint Ground Combat Units
http://patriot.net/%7Ejstevens/web/pegasus%20patch.jpg http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1881/scarwaf2ax.jpg

Acropolis "Martin's Patch" (?): Originally Army 18th Medical Command
http://patriot.net/%7Ejstevens/web/martin_patch.jpg http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4728/18thmed2gv.gif

Celestra: Army 78th Infantry Division
http://patriot.net/%7Ejstevens/web/celestra%20patch.jpg http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3373/78thid4rz.jpg

Rising Star Medical: Originally Air Force Academy Dress Patch (without lower
section with text) - Before/After - After pic from Kobol.com
http://patriot.net/%7Ejstevens/web/rising%20star%20medical%20patch.jpg http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6789/usafacademy7pt.jpghttp://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6861/rispatch0ey.jpg

Prison Barge: Originally 3rd Army Corps, turned upside-down
http://patriot.net/%7Ejstevens/web/prison_barge.jpg http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/5019/3rdarmy3dw.jpg

I'm still looking for information on the origin of the Galactica medical patch & pin & the enforcers logos:
http://patriot.net/%7Ejstevens/web/medical%20patch.jpg http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/153/medpatch7ku.gifhttp://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3569/medpin1td.gif

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3584/enforcers3bf.gif
http://patriot.net/%7Ejstevens/web/medical%20insignia.jpg
(Pics from Kobol.com and other sources)

http://patriot.net/%7Ejstevens/web/ENFORCER.GIF Enjoy!

Gebirg

P.S. - The pics from the CW Tech Manual are bogus, IIRC. They were never seen on film.

BST
June 7th, 2004, 07:16 PM
Regarding these patches, there is also some excellent information regarding their roots, in the following thread:

http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3079

Apollon
June 8th, 2004, 07:29 PM
137th Gebirg, brilliant find! :thumbsup:

That's a good blowup pic of the Gemon's shoulder patch. Incidentally, I just watched the DVD and it appears that the Gemon playing pyramid with Starbuck is wearing Galactica's collar insignia.

Also, I read this piece on Colonial Uniforms http://www.geocities.com/sjpaxton/uniforms.html and it states the following:

"The collar pins are standard military pins; that for the Galactica is the Army Military Intelligence pin, worn upside-down compared to standard military usage. The gold pins worn with the warrior uniforms had the petal inserts painted dark blue; the standard military color is black."

The MI pins worn on the Galactica were indeed worn upside-down, however, the standard military color for the petals is dark blue not black. I confirmed this with an Army lieutenant here in Ft. Benning who is very familiar with branch insignia and had also pointed me to this site which describes the MI insignia as "On a dagger point up, a heralding sun all in gold charged with an oriental blue rose." http://www.micorps.org/

He explained that companies contracted to make the MI branch insignia (and other military insignia in general) used a dark blue enamel which appeared almost black when hardened, but the color has always been blue. The U.S. military now favors STA-BRITE brand insignia which do not require polishing like old brass insignia did. STA-BRITE insignia are made by Ira Green, Inc. http://www.iragreen.com/index.shtml and I have acquired current samples of the MI insignia by STA-BRITE and they are indeed dark blue.

http://www.cowboyhatstore.com/images/629.jpg

137th Gebirg
June 9th, 2004, 07:14 PM
Thanks for the kind words, all. They are appreciated. Yes, I have a special fascination for symbolism and military insignia, especially when the two are used simultaneously. I found the insignia of BSG to be especially interesting due to the nature of the backstory of the twelve tribes.

Glad you all enjoyed the pics. Here's another one I dug up while watching the DVD's. As far back as the original pilot, there were gold cylons. Check out the fighter in the rear. And no, this image has NOT been colorized. Watch closely at some of the attacks. It's for real and can be more clearly seen a few episodes into the season. Just food for thought...

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/9867/goldleader5dg.jpg

GOD I love DVD's!!!

:salute:

137th Gebirg
June 9th, 2004, 08:04 PM
137th Gebirg, brilliant find! :thumbsup:

That's a good blowup pic of the Gemon's shoulder patch. Incidentally, I just watched the DVD and it appears that the Gemon playing pyramid with Starbuck is wearing Galactica's collar insignia. Yup! Forgot to mention that one. The Gemon definitely has a single pin identical to the Galactican pin design. For the life of me, I can't find the article which mentions how the costume department used the same insignia for the Atlantia as with the Galactica, which supports the Gemon/Atlantia pics. Guess that will be for another time.

However, after some additional digging, I found a few extra tidbits. On Sue Paxton's website, there's a big FAQ with lots of info at http://www.geocities.com/sjpaxton/uniforms.html. Here are a few Q&A's that address some of the things I brought up. The second one, in retrospect, is now innacurate, due to the screen caps of the Gemon from the Atlantia and the patches of other lesser ships in the ragtag fleet.

<SNIP>
Q. Why, in the premiere, is Starbuck supposed to recognize the impostors based solely on their insignia, when all the insignia look alike?

A. Because originally each squadron was distinguished by the colors of their patches and the color insert in the collar pins. Under testing, though, the red battle stations lights turned the Red Squadron insignia (the only other squadron supposed to be seen) totally black. The Red Squadron patch was a red background with black border and triangles, and a few were actually made. A great idea, but unfortunately unworkable.

Q. Did each ship have its own insignia?

A. Yes. The only time this was seen, however, was in Living Legend. The designer had thumbnail sketches drawn up for each battlestar in the fleet. Each ship had its own helmet ornament, sleeve patch, and collar pin design. The collar pins are standard military pins; that for the Galactica is the Army Military Intelligence pin, worn upside-down compared to standard military usage. The gold pins worn with the warrior uniforms had the petal inserts painted dark blue; the standard military color is black. The silver pins worn on the blue uniforms were plated and had black inserts. The Pegasus pin is the Command Ashore Project Manager pin from the Navy.
</SNIP>

This other page, entitled "The Lost Battlestars" from Susan's site makes a reference to the patch used by the Acropolis. Link: http://www.geocities.com/sjpaxton/battlest.html

<SNIP>
Acropolis. This name is from costume department information; a ship patch was actually chosen for this ship and is a US military patch of a Greek temple and a sword. I have one of these patches which Larry received from a contact in the costume department at Universal, and interestingly it was obviously sewn on to something at one time. This ship is also mentioned in background dialogue in the premiere. This ship was at the ambush.
</SNIP>

The "Greek Temple" they refer to was probably the stylized number 8 in the patch used by Martin, which definitely has a sword. As a recap, this is the patch used by the Army 18th Medical Command:
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4728/18thmed2gv.gif

BTW, if anyone wants to see the full version of the Air Force Academy/Rising Star medical insignia as seen below (Again, photo from Kobol.com):
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6861/rispatch0ey.jpg

Notice on the bottom of the patch how the outer-border stitching was redone after they cut off the "USAF Academy" heraldry. Pretty tricky stuff!

Here it is in its original form from www.saundersmilitaria.com:
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6789/usafacademy7pt.jpg

If anyone has any info on the origins of the Galactica medical patch/pin combo I would appreciate it. I'm thinking something of Thai or Burmese origin because of the minaret (sp?) and crown on both. It's definitely not American:
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/153/medpatch7ku.gifhttp://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3569/medpin1td.gif
Again, photos from Kobol.com

I'm also looking for the origin of the Enforcer insignia from "The Long Patrol".
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3584/enforcers3bf.gif

In my estimation, that should complete the etimology of all insignia used in Battlestar Galactica, unless there's something out there really obscure that I missed.

Yes, I have no life... :cry:

137th Gebirg
July 29th, 2004, 06:48 PM
Well, it would appear that I did miss one after all. Commander Cain's Scarf Clip:
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/8641/cain14qg.jpg

There have been discussions on the web out there on this very thing and everyone seems to agree that the inner portion of this medallion is the United States Air Force Combat Readiness Medal. The outer portion remains a mystery. Some have mentioned that it is an outer medal frame that was glued on the back, but I'm not so sure. The webmaster of the "BBS" Costume & Prop Collection apparently has the original medallion on the original Cain outfit, but I'm not so sure about the medallion. Something just doesn't seem right (see below). There appear to be some pieces missing from either side, like there should be a pair of wings or a four-pointed star between the Air Force medal and the outer laurel ring. This is the best I could get:

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/2450/cain21ao.jpg

The fore-mentioned costume site resides at http://home.globalcrossing.net/~gnj/battlestar/battlestar.html (http://home.globalcrossing.net/%7Egnj/battlestar/battlestar.html)

An excellent site - highly recommended!

Oh, I updated my rendition of the Atlantia patch that I researched earlier in this thread. It hasn't been at the top of the list for a while and thought that it should be bumped back up again...

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7499/gemonpatch32vj.gif

137th Gebirg
July 29th, 2004, 07:16 PM
I think I found it, after more searching, I believe the back piece to be the United States European Command Headquarters Badge:

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/7522/cain2a1ok.jpg

This seems more in keeping with the original design and it's also in keeping with the prop department's use of Cold War-era military insignia. The kicker is the back piece could also be the National Imagery and Mapping Agency:

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/4886/nima9rw.jpg

Which also has four points on a laurel background, very similar to the EuroCom HQ badge.

Thoughts? Comments?

justjackrandom
July 30th, 2004, 10:45 AM
I love your work man. Have any clue about Adama’s throat pin?

Apollon
August 1st, 2004, 12:50 PM
137th Gebirg, thanks for another impressive find. Brilliant!:thumbsup:

137th Gebirg
August 2nd, 2004, 06:56 AM
Thanks for the kind words, Apollon and all.

Justjackrandom: The Adama madallions (yes, plural - his neck medallion and the Kobol medallion) were going to be the next things to tackle. The Count Iblis medallion, I believe, is nothing more than a decorated cardboard cut-out used to offset the Adama medallion. It does, however, have a design that I intend to publish along with a PHENOMENAL picture of the Iblis/Satan costume that was used for the scene when Starbuck shot Iblis for killing Apollo. Some cool things coming - keep watching and keep the thread bumped!

:cool:

137th Gebirg
August 5th, 2004, 07:39 AM
Hello, all...

As promised, I have collected some pics on the Iblis Medallion. There is definitely some kind of deliberate pattern here. Not sure of its origins. When doing some research on the web, I came across this:


According to the Glossary of Muslim Terms found at

http://www.digiserve.com/mystic/Muslim/glossary.html

Iblis (إبليس): The figure of Iblis in Islam is similar to that of Satan in Christianity. Although Iblis was an angelic being, his vision couldn't penetrate the outward form of a thing in order to apprehend its inward meaning. When Adam (the first human) was created, God commanded Iblis and all the other angels to prostrate themselves before Adam. Iblis refused to bow down to this new creation of God. Iblis reasoned to himself that he was superior to Adam since he was made of fire while Adam was only made of clay. In this one act of defiance Iblis introduced the sins of pride, envy, and disobedience into the world. When confronted by God, Iblis refused to take any responsibility for his sins; instead he accused God of leading him astray.



I guess Iblis forgot that clay hardens when exposed to fire. Tsk, tsk...


Anyway, I noticed other references to tattoos worn by Muslim equivalents of "satan worshippers" or, "Iblis worshippers", though I could unearth no pictures of this. I'm curious if Larson discovered the Iblis Tattoo and placed it on the medallion. Otherwise, it seems nothing more than a curious random design on a piece of costuming that has no more purpose than to offset Adama's medallion.

So, without further ado, the Medallion study, including some enhanced DVD screen caps and my Adobe Illustrator rendition of it:

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3643/iblismedallion7zv.jpg


Incidentally, I came across a curious picture in the Encyclopedia Galactica. Now, I know that book is full of flaws and inaccuracies. One flaw took me quite by surprise and I'm wondering why I hadn't caught on before. Under "Borays", there are several pictures. One of them, however, didn't appear to be a Boray! With "War of the Gods" still fresh in my mind it came to me instantly. It is the costume used at the end of the episode to represent Iblis' true form! Interesting how it's dressed in a black cloak. It seems the producers intended to reverse-project a negative image of the costume so that the cloak would appear to match Iblis' white cloak. I love the definition of the face in this picture. A shame that there are no others and that it's misplaced in the book. As a side note, another strange error is that they spelled "Iblis" as "Ibley" and have no picture of Patrick MacNee!

Here's the pic. Enjoy!

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/3088/iblissatan4el.jpg

Still working on the Adama medallions. That's the hardest one to find. More on that later...

cyland props
August 14th, 2004, 07:28 PM
Just kinda wanted to drop by and mention that I believe that some information was taken from:

http://p082.ezboard.com/fpropreplicasfrm86.showMessage?topicID=84.topic

http://p082.ezboard.com/fpropreplicasfrm86.showMessageRange?topicID=94.topic&start=1&stop=20

Where we have been discussing this.

Gemini1999
August 14th, 2004, 09:43 PM
Just kinda wanted to drop by and mention that I believe that some information was taken from:

http://p082.ezboard.com/fpropreplicasfrm86.showMessage?topicID=84.topic

http://p082.ezboard.com/fpropreplicasfrm86.showMessageRange?topicID=94.topic&start=1&stop=20

Where we have been discussing this.

Cyland Props -

As one of the moderators for Colonial Fleets, I would like to welcome you to our happy little piece of the galaxy. We would appreciate your expertise in the way of props & costumes - it seems that you've got your stuff together! Thanks for the links to your prop forum - it seems like there are a lot of creative-minded people that hang out there.

Please feel free to take a look around the site and check things out. I also hope that you take the time to participate in some of the discussion threads as well. If there's anything I can do, just let myself, or one of the other mods know and we will do our best.

I say again, Welcome to Fleets! :salute:

Best regards,
Bryan

BST
August 15th, 2004, 09:35 AM
Cyland Props,

Welcome to Colonial Fleets! As Gemini1999 mentioned, your expertise and insight regarding the uniforms, medallions, patches, etc, would be most appreciated. A discussion topic which may interest you can be found here:

Colonial Patch - The Ancient Connection (http://www.colonialfleets.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3079)

Although, I'm not incredibly versed on these aspects of the show, I enjoy reading and learning about the "history" of many of the items from the show.

Again,

Welcome to the Fleets!

BST

shiningstar
August 15th, 2004, 08:02 PM
Just kinda wanted to drop by and mention that I believe that some information was taken from:

http://p082.ezboard.com/fpropreplicasfrm86.showMessage?topicID=84.topic

http://p082.ezboard.com/fpropreplicasfrm86.showMessageRange?topicID=94.topic&start=1&stop=20

Where we have been discussing this.

welcome to the family Cyland props :warrior:

shiningstar
August 15th, 2004, 08:08 PM
Wow I love these patches and pics ......THANK YOU Everyone for Posting it.

thomas7g
August 15th, 2004, 09:30 PM
Just kinda wanted to drop by and mention that I believe that some information was taken from:

http://p082.ezboard.com/fpropreplicasfrm86.showMessage?topicID=84.topic

http://p082.ezboard.com/fpropreplicasfrm86.showMessageRange?topicID=94.topic&start=1&stop=20

Where we have been discussing this.
Welcome Cyland!

Thank you so much for sharing that!!!

cyland props
August 15th, 2004, 09:44 PM
To tell you the truth I don't believe they put that much thought into the patches, they were looking for a non-discript design and probably just hit the local Army/Navy store. Now the uniforms do kind of look like those used by the Army Airforce during WWII. The brown bomber style jacket with tan colored tunic and slacks. Of couse they did stylize them to look eygptian.

Gemini1999
August 15th, 2004, 09:54 PM
To tell you the truth I don't believe they put that much thought into the patches, they were looking for a non-discript design and probably just hit the local Army/Navy store.

CP -

I remember when BSG was still airing that we used to comb the Army/Navy surplus stores for the insignias - they were pretty easy to find, but the folks that worked there looked pretty puzzled given our age at the time (about 18-19)!

The metallic braids for the uniforms were easy to find in the fabric stores as well - Of course, if you look these days, you wouldn't have any luck.

Best,
Bryan

Charybdis
August 16th, 2004, 09:50 AM
Man, you know I have had that Encylopedia Galactica since it was first released back in early 1979 and I have never made the connection with that "Boray" and the Iblis devil figure!!!!

Seems like we are still learning things about this great show and that is the great part about it. No matter how old it is, you still get great finds from it and it is still a true joy to watch it...

KJ
August 16th, 2004, 10:44 AM
Hope you don't mind if i add my two cents to this great discussion.

I too, made a connection to the Boray and Iblis thing. You'll notice the Boray wrist band is also worn by Count Iblis. Black with a gold strip down it. Guess larson reused his props well but, it seems he did so quite carefully.

Also, if 137th Gebiry could confirm this. Just before the "Grog" scene in the pilot there is a shot of colonials at the casino gambling, there is a right shot of a warrior leaning over, as they do you can see he/she with a Atlantia insignia on their shoulder. (perhaps some 'Atlantia' survivor maybe)

Also aren't the Triton, Acropolis and Solaria Battlestar insignia's in the "Colonial Warriror's Journal" although that book too, is full of errors. The designs probably aren't far off from what existed at one point.

All i'm hoping to see, the sudden release of the helmet and insignia designs for the Pacifica, Prometheus, Cerberus, Bellerophon, Acropolis and Solaria which were said to be done by the costume department during the series run, at one time. If they were being done surely some pictures were taken?

Here's hoping they exist somewhere.

KJ

:cool:

KJ
August 16th, 2004, 10:51 AM
Also, if they did a Red and Blue squadron insignia for the Colonial Warrior jackets and bridge uniforms. Did they do one for Green and Yellow Squadron that apollo mentioned?

Or was that business about green and yellow squadrons, just dialogue Apollo said to go along with Starbuck's funny line about Purple and Orange squadrons moments later. Years ago many of us thought all the Galactica shoulder patches were all 'gold and black', then, news came of the 'Red and Black' too.

KJ

137th Gebirg
August 17th, 2004, 06:42 AM
Hope you don't mind if i add my two cents to this great discussion.

I too, made a connection to the Boray and Iblis thing. You'll notice the Boray wrist band is also worn by Count Iblis. Black with a gold strip down it. Guess larson reused his props well but, it seems he did so quite carefully.

Also, if 137th Gebiry could confirm this. Just before the "Grog" scene in the pilot there is a shot of colonials at the casino gambling, there is a right shot of a warrior leaning over, as they do you can see he/she with a Atlantia insignia on their shoulder. (perhaps some 'Atlantia' survivor maybe)
Hello, KJ. Can't remember off the top of my head, but certainly worth researching. I'll pop my DVD's in and see if I can find the scene you are referring to. I might be able to get a more solid screen cap of the patch than I previously posted.

Also aren't the Triton, Acropolis and Solaria Battlestar insignia's in the "Colonial Warriror's Journal" although that book too, is full of errors. The designs probably aren't far off from what existed at one point.

All i'm hoping to see, the sudden release of the helmet and insignia designs for the Pacifica, Prometheus, Cerberus, Bellerophon, Acropolis and Solaria which were said to be done by the costume department during the series run, at one time. If they were being done surely some pictures were taken?

Here's hoping they exist somewhere.

KJ

:cool:
As far as I could tell, the Acropolis' patch is the same as Martin's (from the Lost Warrior episode w/ "Red Eye"). The props dept. mentioned "a temple with a sword going through it" which, in reality, is the number eight with a sword (originally, Army 18th Medical Command):

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4728/18thmed2gv.gif

Other than this one, only the Galactica, Pegasus and, from my research, the Atlantia had patches. The pics that appear in the Colonial Warrior's Tech Manual are real patches that I've seen in my books but totally bogus in the Galactican universe without any screen time to prove their authenticity, unless someone has screen caps to the contrary. More on this later on...

137th Gebirg
August 17th, 2004, 06:50 AM
Also, if they did a Red and Blue squadron insignia for the Colonial Warrior jackets and bridge uniforms. Did they do one for Green and Yellow Squadron that apollo mentioned?

Or was that business about green and yellow squadrons, just dialogue Apollo said to go along with Starbuck's funny line about Purple and Orange squadrons moments later. Years ago many of us thought all the Galactica shoulder patches were all 'gold and black', then, news came of the 'Red and Black' too.

KJ
Heh...well, yes and no. Patches for these squadrons never existed in the original because they were just that - fake squadrons that Apollo & Starbuck made up when they were charging the base star at the end of SoaSW. HOWEVER: in the wake of Mr. Hatch's revival efforts and his trailer which I have not yet seen :( , patches of additional colors were created:

http://img276.imageshack.us/img276/418/2ndcomingpatches1ub.jpg
(Pic from BSGTek's costume site)

...and of course the white patch for the ship of lights (don't have that pic, but everyone's seen it)

Hope that clears it up...

KJ
August 18th, 2004, 07:25 PM
Thanks for the picture. I hope the other info fandom's heard about also comes forth somehow.

I'd like to see the prop Colonial Warrior Viper helmet designs for the "Cerberus", "Prometheus", "Solaria" and other Battlestar ships, the costume department were working on.

According to Battlestarzone.com and Kobol these were at one time or another done at a point. Imagine seeing The Viper pilot helmets with a Hand holding a Burning Torch, A Large Golden Sun or a Three headed Wolf/ Lupus or Dog/Daggit their Battlestar insignia's on their Vipers as they flew into battle. or something towards that end.

The series might have been rushed. But the pilot, LPOTG and GOIPZ had alot of thought put into them. There was confusion about the ship names, and fandom still isn't too sure about the Battlestar Insignias. (but it makes for great discussions) But the production "had" everything down before ABC and co got involved and messed things up and caused distractions.

I believe the other Battlestars (insignia's/ patches/ rank, ship captains, Commanders etc) played some vital plot point before and after the holocaust. why else go through the trouble of creating such detailed background information/stories etc. if none of it, was seen in the foreground. Stevens, Larson and Colla must have planned out a REAL backstory before things, ideas and concepts were dropped but still remained somehow into the Galactica we know of today.

The series was about the Galactica, but i'm sure the other things seen in the background were meant to play a larger role before the other Battlestars, bit the dust. Lets remember Galactica, filmed up to 6 hours of footage originally. surely it wasn't all just pre-production stuff with things like "Lyra" name instead of Serina and Starbuck's bare-chested roll on the floor with Cassiopea.

I'm sure the names of the other ships, characters clothing, uniforms, flags and whatnot all had a 'place' in the backstory of the other main characters. Even the novels touch upon this. (whether or not they came out during after the series run)


*- B:Cerberus. Adama and Cain once served a tour of duty on. mentioned in "War of the Gods" novel and actually seen in Maximum Press comics, 'Baptism of fire story'

*- B:Bellerophon. Colonel Tigh served on the Bellerophon before the Galactica!

*- B:Pacifica. Described in great detail by Adama during the peace conference. But according to the 'Saga Of A Star World' novel, was already destroyed? (Destroyed off screen at Cimtar)

* - B:Solaria. According to the SOASW novel, was the last Battlestar destroyed by the Cylons. It's destruction left Starbuck, Boomer, Jolly and Greenbean going to refueling stations to order to catch the Galactica which left the battle to go to Caprica.

* - B:Columbia. According to Cylon Command Centurion Vulpa, was destroyed at the peace conference. (perhaps it was off screen?)

* - B:Prometheus. According to battlestarzone.com it was another lost Battlestar, meant to meet up with the Galactica during to second season?! Thats unknown, or where it got such info. But it's name did appear in the Galactica scrap book of the late 80's.

* - B:Rykon. Commanded by Commander Kronus. In a battle against Cylons at Cosmora Archipeligo, Kronus led colonial forces against hordes of Cylons. although injured. Led the remaining forces onto victory and destroyed 3 Cylon Basestars. presumably at the cost of the Rykon herself.

*- B: Atlantia. Former fleet flagship. Colonial President Adar, known to be onboard during her destruction at the Battle of Cimtar. Little else is known.

* - B: Acropolis. One of the last battlestars destroyed. requests shuttle to come to her aid, as she burns in space....! (destroyed off screen at cimtar)

* - B: Triton. Battlestar, transmissions of her being attacked overheard at the battle of Cimtar (destroyed off screen)

Other names are Argo, Poseidon and Olympia.

They must have had some importance or place before the holocaust. As their patches, flags, collar pins, uniform insignias all come to light, prehaps we'll all gain more information on them as fans dig for more clues.


KJ

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137th Gebirg
August 19th, 2004, 07:26 AM
^^^ Don't forget some of the variants on the "Rykon" name:

Rykon
Rycon
Ricon
I've seen all three of these and I don't think anyone really knows unless, of course, the script is available with the name mentioned in it.